Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

As a response to being harassed. Don't want to face the consequences? Leave people alone in public.

It’s a call for help. She has several men bigger than her surrounding her and blocking her from leaving. What should she have said?

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

Nope. Help me is a call for…wait for it…HELP.

You know, like when someone is in a burning building and they yell for HELP

Or if someone is drowning they yell for HELP

Our someone is being harassed they call for HELP

I cannot believe this needs to be explained.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

It was not a misunderstanding. It looked very calculated. She is just trying to play nice per her lawyer as she is now being targeted because of her race and because of her skin color there was no way she could be in the right. This is clearly racism at its finest. These men need to step up. The hospital and local businesses and police need to release any security footage and the bike company needs to produce records from both parties. Get an answer to who was right. That man had no right to grab the bike with her on it and shove it back into the holder because he wanted it. And his friend making the horrible comments should also be held accountable. and, if she stole the bike that’s between her and the police and company, not her employer as she was off duty not on hospital property.

She didn't steal the bike. A misunderstanding means that people misinterpreted the situation, it happens every day. It doesn't mean she or they had to be criminals. The lawyer has likely already looked into much of it and has concluded and stated it was a misunderstanding.

They are taking the high road. He forced the bike back into the rack with her on it. That is assault. Misunderstanding would be him nicely approaching her saying hey I rented this bike, here is my receipt, could I have my bike back please? If she refuses you contact customer support and get a new bike. You don’t grab a bike someone is on to shove it in the rack to demand the bike. You don’t scream nasty comments to her. She clearly rented that bike. The men refuse to step up which makes it more suspicious. She has no choice but to try to clean this up by playing nice. She’s not getting any support from the company, her employer or the police. She is on her own. And, the men who refuse to identify themselves have all the activists after her.

Not all misunderstadings are calm. THere was clearly a mild confrontation which makes sense if he thought he had paid for a bike she was taking (even if he was wrong - that is his misunderstading). If I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the handle too and relock it to keep them from riding away as people have said that it can cost over $1200 if someone takes a bike you paid for. I saw another video where a man did try to steal a Ciibike and the rightful renter actually assaulted him and punched him to get him off the bike. A misunderstanding means you are acting based on a misperception of events. As her lawyer said as soon as she sat on the bike, they did verbally start to tell her that they had paid for it and that it was their bike - before she had even finished paying for it and unlocked it. But then after they told her that it was their bike, she rolled it back and started to leave, so the party beleiving it was under their account, grabbed the handle bars to keep her from taking it.

Based on her lawyers emphasis on the word 'young', I believe these men could be minors. It seems from the information the lawyer has, the young men may have been in touch with him or the police already. Just because they haven't identified themselves publicly, doesn't mean no one knows who they are. I know I am the only one (on here) who believes they could be anything other than evil, malicious, rage-filled, racist criminals but they may well have reached out, apologized for being rude and for the misunderstanding, and all is good between the parties.

The man knew exactly how Citibike rentals work, as evidenced by how he knew to redock her bike and then swipe his own phone over the reader. It's impossible to argue he "misunderstood" how Citibikes work and/or whether you can reserve them.

This may be a game they've played before with other white women--quieter ones who were successfully intimidated into giving them whatever they demanded.

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Anonymous wrote:So now those villainizing the PA are upset that she didn’t call police.

I see.

Omg if she had called the police I can’t even imagine how much WORSE things would have been for her. Those people criticizing her have lost their damn minds.

They haven’t lost their minds. They just hate women and this is a manifestation of that. They are actually as cold-blooded as supremacists of any kind.

It’s not about the fact that she was a woman, it’s that she was white. In the minds of many, white people are expected to accept being the victim of crime when the offender is Black, and they get criticized even for calling the police, to say nothing of defending themselves. To these activists, ruining the PA’s life is even *better* if she obviously did nothing wrong. People might not care if she had it coming, but ruining an innocent person’s life, forcing her to lose her job and go into hiding? Now *that* sends a real message to anyone else who might be tempted to justifiably resist crimes.

The fruits of being an "ally."

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

It was not a misunderstanding. It looked very calculated. She is just trying to play nice per her lawyer as she is now being targeted because of her race and because of her skin color there was no way she could be in the right. This is clearly racism at its finest. These men need to step up. The hospital and local businesses and police need to release any security footage and the bike company needs to produce records from both parties. Get an answer to who was right. That man had no right to grab the bike with her on it and shove it back into the holder because he wanted it. And his friend making the horrible comments should also be held accountable. and, if she stole the bike that’s between her and the police and company, not her employer as she was off duty not on hospital property.

She didn't steal the bike. A misunderstanding means that people misinterpreted the situation, it happens every day. It doesn't mean she or they had to be criminals. The lawyer has likely already looked into much of it and has concluded and stated it was a misunderstanding.

No. Her lawyer concluded she will look like a racist if she goes after them. He is advising her not to because of that, and rightfully so. But he can’t say that, so he’s framing it as a “misunderstanding.”

She could have gone to the police and charged them long before any video was posted or she was seen in any way. She is a pregnant woman attacked violently by a mob of men who intended to cause her grevious harm and terrorize and threaten her life and she just decided to get off the one bike, turn her back to someone who was the closest and worst of this violent, raging mob, and get on another bike right there? Does that really make sense? That is not how someone whose life and fetuses life are in mortal danger from a mob of men terrorizing and assaulting them acts. Did she call 911? Did her colleague and the other witness call 911 while the mob was channeling their rage onto her? Long before the video went viral, what was her response and the response of those around her to this terrorizing rage filled assault just outside her workplace by a threatening and malicious mob? Did she tell her workplace and security so they could protect her and others in coming or leaving work the next day? Did she call in and take leave to process the trauma?

You realize this stuff happens all the time there and police do nothing. She hjust wanted to move on. I would not have called the police.

That is an interesting perspective. On one hand we have a widely held view by many on here in other posts that police discriminate and are quite aggressive in their action against black men and yet now on this post we have the view that police will not do anything if a mob of black men violently attack a white woman. Quite contradictory. Where are all the posters who have the view that police do discriminate against black men?

How could she move on knowing this violent, terrorizing, rage-filled mob could be waiting for her tomorrow or the next day?

There is a mob after her now because she is white. This is not a race issue. If this was a white man attacking her she still would have been condemned except just not as a racist. Take race out of it already. There were no racial slurs on her part or theirs. Not everything is about race. This was about entitlement. I had something far wrong happen in ny and I can tell you the court system is a joke. The judges don’t listen or care and in our situation let something very wrong happen. So, if this happened to me, I would not think to call the police and I’d just be upset, go home and move on.

Sorry, but "white women's tears" and "Emmet Till" were very much a part of the mob attack. The four guys even mocked her tears and said they were fake.

But for the racial context, none of us would have any idea who these people are.

Yes. ‘Karen’ is a racialized insult and a call to action to go after someone.

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

As a response to being harassed. Don't want to face the consequences? Leave people alone in public.

I think the one person who keeps putting up these sneers is a lone poster, a WOC, who is angry that the term Karen is not always applicable.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

It was not a misunderstanding. It looked very calculated. She is just trying to play nice per her lawyer as she is now being targeted because of her race and because of her skin color there was no way she could be in the right. This is clearly racism at its finest. These men need to step up. The hospital and local businesses and police need to release any security footage and the bike company needs to produce records from both parties. Get an answer to who was right. That man had no right to grab the bike with her on it and shove it back into the holder because he wanted it. And his friend making the horrible comments should also be held accountable. and, if she stole the bike that’s between her and the police and company, not her employer as she was off duty not on hospital property.

She didn't steal the bike. A misunderstanding means that people misinterpreted the situation, it happens every day. It doesn't mean she or they had to be criminals. The lawyer has likely already looked into much of it and has concluded and stated it was a misunderstanding.

They are taking the high road. He forced the bike back into the rack with her on it. That is assault. Misunderstanding would be him nicely approaching her saying hey I rented this bike, here is my receipt, could I have my bike back please? If she refuses you contact customer support and get a new bike. You don’t grab a bike someone is on to shove it in the rack to demand the bike. You don’t scream nasty comments to her. She clearly rented that bike. The men refuse to step up which makes it more suspicious. She has no choice but to try to clean this up by playing nice. She’s not getting any support from the company, her employer or the police. She is on her own. And, the men who refuse to identify themselves have all the activists after her.

This is all true. But her Gofundme also says this: "She holds racial justice and equity dear, and has dedicated her life to serving NYC's most challenged individuals."

There are many reasons she's taking the high road, and one of them is that she and her lawyer seem like stand-up people.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

It was not a misunderstanding. It looked very calculated. She is just trying to play nice per her lawyer as she is now being targeted because of her race and because of her skin color there was no way she could be in the right. This is clearly racism at its finest. These men need to step up. The hospital and local businesses and police need to release any security footage and the bike company needs to produce records from both parties. Get an answer to who was right. That man had no right to grab the bike with her on it and shove it back into the holder because he wanted it. And his friend making the horrible comments should also be held accountable. and, if she stole the bike that’s between her and the police and company, not her employer as she was off duty not on hospital property.

She didn't steal the bike. A misunderstanding means that people misinterpreted the situation, it happens every day. It doesn't mean she or they had to be criminals. The lawyer has likely already looked into much of it and has concluded and stated it was a misunderstanding.

They are taking the high road. He forced the bike back into the rack with her on it. That is assault. Misunderstanding would be him nicely approaching her saying hey I rented this bike, here is my receipt, could I have my bike back please? If she refuses you contact customer support and get a new bike. You don’t grab a bike someone is on to shove it in the rack to demand the bike. You don’t scream nasty comments to her. She clearly rented that bike. The men refuse to step up which makes it more suspicious. She has no choice but to try to clean this up by playing nice. She’s not getting any support from the company, her employer or the police. She is on her own. And, the men who refuse to identify themselves have all the activists after her.

Not all misunderstadings are calm. THere was clearly a mild confrontation which makes sense if he thought he had paid for a bike she was taking (even if he was wrong - that is his misunderstading). If I thought someone was taking a bike I had paid for, I might grab the handle too and relock it to keep them from riding away as people have said that it can cost over $1200 if someone takes a bike you paid for. I saw another video where a man did try to steal a Ciibike and the rightful renter actually assaulted him and punched him to get him off the bike. A misunderstanding means you are acting based on a misperception of events. As her lawyer said as soon as she sat on the bike, they did verbally start to tell her that they had paid for it and that it was their bike - before she had even finished paying for it and unlocked it. But then after they told her that it was their bike, she rolled it back and started to leave, so the party beleiving it was under their account, grabbed the handle bars to keep her from taking it.

Based on her lawyers emphasis on the word 'young', I believe these men could be minors. It seems from the information the lawyer has, the young men may have been in touch with him or the police already. Just because they haven't identified themselves publicly, doesn't mean no one knows who they are. I know I am the only one (on here) who believes they could be anything other than evil, malicious, rage-filled, racist criminals but they may well have reached out, apologized for being rude and for the misunderstanding, and all is good between the parties.

The man knew exactly how Citibike rentals work, as evidenced by how he knew to redock her bike and then swipe his own phone over the reader. It's impossible to argue he "misunderstood" how Citibikes work and/or whether you can reserve them.

This may be a game they've played before with other white women--quieter ones who were successfully intimidated into giving them whatever they demanded.

Could be or maybe it was just a one time thing and he didn't handle it well.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

It was not a misunderstanding. It looked very calculated. She is just trying to play nice per her lawyer as she is now being targeted because of her race and because of her skin color there was no way she could be in the right. This is clearly racism at its finest. These men need to step up. The hospital and local businesses and police need to release any security footage and the bike company needs to produce records from both parties. Get an answer to who was right. That man had no right to grab the bike with her on it and shove it back into the holder because he wanted it. And his friend making the horrible comments should also be held accountable. and, if she stole the bike that’s between her and the police and company, not her employer as she was off duty not on hospital property.

She didn't steal the bike. A misunderstanding means that people misinterpreted the situation, it happens every day. It doesn't mean she or they had to be criminals. The lawyer has likely already looked into much of it and has concluded and stated it was a misunderstanding.

They are taking the high road. He forced the bike back into the rack with her on it. That is assault. Misunderstanding would be him nicely approaching her saying hey I rented this bike, here is my receipt, could I have my bike back please? If she refuses you contact customer support and get a new bike. You don’t grab a bike someone is on to shove it in the rack to demand the bike. You don’t scream nasty comments to her. She clearly rented that bike. The men refuse to step up which makes it more suspicious. She has no choice but to try to clean this up by playing nice. She’s not getting any support from the company, her employer or the police. She is on her own. And, the men who refuse to identify themselves have all the activists after her.

This is all true. But her Gofundme also says this: "She holds racial justice and equity dear, and has dedicated her life to serving NYC's most challenged individuals."

There are many reasons she's taking the high road, and one of them is that she and her lawyer seem like stand-up people.

If she were a true racist she probably wouldn't be living there and working in that hospital.

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

Since when?

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

Nope. Help me is a call for…wait for it…HELP.

You know, like when someone is in a burning building and they yell for HELP

Or if someone is drowning they yell for HELP

Our someone is being harassed they call for HELP

I cannot believe this needs to be explained.

DP. You're missing pp's unstated subtext: HELP is a call for violence when it's said by a white woman. It always and in every case means she's weaponizing her white womanhood against a person of another race. It could never possibly mean that she actually needs help.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

I'm pretty sure she and her attorney are describing this as a "misunderstanding" with their eyes on the more productive goal for her rehabilitation. It is the fiction everyone needs to accept in order to move forward.

But come on. We still know this was a set-up to cause trouble for a white woman.

No we don't. She was there, before, during and after. We weren't there. We see a clip of part of an interaction between people. I have no reason to think she isn't capable of understnading the situation that she was in. I don't think I know better than she does what her experience was or what the situation was. Sure, like you, I can fabricate a story about a clip of part of a sitation that I wasn't involved in but why? When teh woman who was there from beginning to end has stated what happened from her perspective (via her lawyer), I am not in any way going to think my made up view of a piece of the situation is a better interpration than hers. People doing what you are doing is the whole reason she is in the current distress and situation that she is.

You don't have any experience of PR to draw from in evaluating this situation? Yes, I believe she fully understands the situation she was in. Those men harassed her intentionally.

But her attorney's statement holds back from describing the full extent as a practical means to the best realistic end. Too many people are unwilling to hear that she was intentionally harassed on the street, or perhaps they think that's fine. It is better to limit public focus to the gleeful rumor-spreaders.

I agree with this decision but let's have our eyes open. Especially if we're white women of a certain age who live in central-city neighborhoods. We should acknowledge the target on our backs.

You are picking and choosing that some of what she has said is factual and some is PR. You believe the parts of what she says that fit your own biases and you refuse to accept the possibility that black young men could be involved in a misunderstanding as that doesn't fit your biases. Your view is that the only option is that they had to be a mob harrassing her and intentionally there to channel rage on the head of a convenient scapegoat because she was a white women and they were young black men. You don't believe parts of her version because you don't believe that there could be a mild confrontation between a white woman and young black men that was just a misunderstanding as that goes against your own biases. So you have decided that you know better than her what happened, despite having a very limited view compared to her.

Let me introduce you to the concept of "spin."

Let me introduce you to the concepts of 'internalized racism" and "cognitive bias" and "ego".

You have succinctly described Monique Judge.

And you are doing the same as she is...just to different people in the scenario.

I agree you are both sure that your biased interpretation is the only one, regardless of the facts in front of you, and think you kow better than the people involved. You are just biased and discriiminatory towards different people than she is.

It’s not even worth explaining the complete differences in both situations. You won’t understand it anyway.

Her view is that there is only one way to interpret the white woman's behaviour and that is through the lens of intentional malice and your view is that there is only one way to interpret the black men's behaviour and that is through the lens of intentional malice. There really is no differnence. Both of you have the close minded view of how certain people act and believe that one party involved is only capable of intentional malice and therefore you feel you can interpret with certainty what people were thinking and doing before an after a video clip. Both of you are prepared to dismiss facts and statements by the woman involved as it doesn't fit your view that specific people involved are only capable of intentional malice. Neither of you can accept that there could have been a misunderstanding about renting bikes as that goes against your beliefs that one party is only capable of intentional malice and perpetrating harm against others.

If the black guys were only concerned about the woman taking off with a bike they thought was rented under their name (total BS but let’s go with it) then the second they forcibly rammed the bike back in to dock it with her still sitting on it they would have moved onto the next bike. Instead they continued to harass her and film the event, and then the incident “mysteriously” made its way online.

If you seriously can’t figure out which party was totally right and which party was totally wrong in this situation then you’re just not an honest person.

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Anonymous wrote:If this man is in the right, why not come forward with your receipt as everything is online and he clearly has a phone and speak the truth.

Don’t worry. They’ll be subpeonaed for discovery in the PA’s lawsuits.

Only if the PA pays to find them. So far the police haven't acknowledged anything needing their involvement, and the perpetrators are in hiding.

Citibike has the records and can easily be subpeonaed. And she’s raised all she needs for legal expenses. Not that subpeonaing these records is an expensive task.

I understand you don’t know how litigation and discovery works but feel free to ask questions instead of showing off your ignorance.

Since you're such a talented, high powered attorney, why don't you do it pro bono?
It's a BIG case!!!!!

A lawyer very similar to me has taken it. And I’m sure he’ll make more than enough for it to have been worth his time.

That just goes to show how both of you are idiots, wasting your time suing some kids who don't have a pot to piss in.

Let me guess, the ambulance chaser is also going to sue anonymous people on the internet for calling people names?

He’s suing media and big name twitter slacktivists, not the boys. Keep up.

Sorry, I don't obsess over some dumb argument that I saw on Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:“HELP ME” is a call to violence.

As a response to being harassed. Don't want to face the consequences? Leave people alone in public.

I think the one person who keeps putting up these sneers is a lone poster, a WOC, who is angry that the term Karen is not always applicable.

She's wholly unconvincing whoever she is. Women can and will call for help when in similar situations. Sorry not sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it strange that there is nothing on the internet about the 5 men (or boys) harassing her. Nothing.

Like Google is protecting them.

As it should be. There is absolutely no need to ruin more lives over a misunderstanding. One person being treated this way is too many.

And if this wasn't a misunderstanding, but a deliberate effort to find a white woman to harass (and cause the internet to also harass) as an exercise in "punching up" (a.k.a. channeling rage upon the head of a convenient scapegoat)? Still ok for these guys to face zero consequences, and for others to know they can continue to target women without censure?

The woman who was actually present and involved has said it was a misunderstanding. While you may not respect her enough to believe her or to think she is capable of assessing the situation, her lawyer does. Dismissing what she says to make up a false narrative that is based on solely on personal assumptions and biases and not on fact to say this was a deliberate act to find a white woman to harrass is no better than making up a false narrative that she was a racist stealing a bike.

The woman has spoken through her lawyer and stated her interpretation and what she wants from this. Lets give her basic respect that she is a competent and capable woman who is able to understand and interpret the situation she was in and to state her wants and needs.

I'm pretty sure she and her attorney are describing this as a "misunderstanding" with their eyes on the more productive goal for her rehabilitation. It is the fiction everyone needs to accept in order to move forward.

But come on. We still know this was a set-up to cause trouble for a white woman.

No we don't. She was there, before, during and after. We weren't there. We see a clip of part of an interaction between people. I have no reason to think she isn't capable of understnading the situation that she was in. I don't think I know better than she does what her experience was or what the situation was. Sure, like you, I can fabricate a story about a clip of part of a sitation that I wasn't involved in but why? When teh woman who was there from beginning to end has stated what happened from her perspective (via her lawyer), I am not in any way going to think my made up view of a piece of the situation is a better interpration than hers. People doing what you are doing is the whole reason she is in the current distress and situation that she is.

You don't have any experience of PR to draw from in evaluating this situation? Yes, I believe she fully understands the situation she was in. Those men harassed her intentionally.

But her attorney's statement holds back from describing the full extent as a practical means to the best realistic end. Too many people are unwilling to hear that she was intentionally harassed on the street, or perhaps they think that's fine. It is better to limit public focus to the gleeful rumor-spreaders.

I agree with this decision but let's have our eyes open. Especially if we're white women of a certain age who live in central-city neighborhoods. We should acknowledge the target on our backs.

You are picking and choosing that some of what she has said is factual and some is PR. You believe the parts of what she says that fit your own biases and you refuse to accept the possibility that black young men could be involved in a misunderstanding as that doesn't fit your biases. Your view is that the only option is that they had to be a mob harrassing her and intentionally there to channel rage on the head of a convenient scapegoat because she was a white women and they were young black men. You don't believe parts of her version because you don't believe that there could be a mild confrontation between a white woman and young black men that was just a misunderstanding as that goes against your own biases. So you have decided that you know better than her what happened, despite having a very limited view compared to her.

Let me introduce you to the concept of "spin."

Let me introduce you to the concepts of 'internalized racism" and "cognitive bias" and "ego".

You have succinctly described Monique Judge.

And you are doing the same as she is...just to different people in the scenario.

I agree you are both sure that your biased interpretation is the only one, regardless of the facts in front of you, and think you kow better than the people involved. You are just biased and discriiminatory towards different people than she is.

It’s not even worth explaining the complete differences in both situations. You won’t understand it anyway.

Her view is that there is only one way to interpret the white woman's behaviour and that is through the lens of intentional malice and your view is that there is only one way to interpret the black men's behaviour and that is through the lens of intentional malice. There really is no differnence. Both of you have the close minded view of how certain people act and believe that one party involved is only capable of intentional malice and therefore you feel you can interpret with certainty what people were thinking and doing before an after a video clip. Both of you are prepared to dismiss facts and statements by the woman involved as it doesn't fit your view that specific people involved are only capable of intentional malice. Neither of you can accept that there could have been a misunderstanding about renting bikes as that goes against your beliefs that one party is only capable of intentional malice and perpetrating harm against others.

If the black guys were only concerned about the woman taking off with a bike they thought was rented under their name (total BS but let’s go with it) then the second they forcibly rammed the bike back in to dock it with her still sitting on it they would have moved onto the next bike. Instead they continued to harass her and film the event, and then the incident “mysteriously” made its way online.

If you seriously can’t figure out which party was totally right and which party was totally wrong in this situation then you’re just not an honest person.

If they are in the right, why not just step forward and state their side?