ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

I’m just saying if you look at everything they’ve said on the podcast, and other ECNL coaches who have gone on other podcasts they’ve openly said aligning soccer with school grade is what they want and grad year is best way to platform kids for college recruiting.

Then you see us soccer put out that leagues can change showcases to something different than league play which why include that language unless leagues are planning to do just that?

My kid can’t even be held back because she’s already in high school so that ship has sailed.

Just saying don’t be surprised if it happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

You’re arguing with multiple people about this not one person. Not because we want grad year but because you’re wrong thinking it’s cheating or can’t/wont happen.

Cheating is breaking the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

You’re arguing with multiple people about this not one person. Not because we want grad year but because you’re wrong thinking it’s cheating or can’t/wont happen.

Cheating is breaking the rules.

ECNL should just do biobanding, so GY will not be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

I can only imagine what job you do, can't be anything that requires any intellectual rigor or facts:

Nationally, around 4–6% of all U.S. kindergarten-age children are redshirted.

But among summer-born kids (June–August), the rate is much higher:

National Center for Education Statistics (NCES, 2015): About 20% of summer-born boys and 13% of summer-born girls were held back a year.

Harvard / Brookings studies: Roughly 1 in 5 summer-born children (≈ 20%) delay kindergarten, compared to < 5% of fall/spring-born children.

This means:

80–85% of July/August-born children start kindergarten at age 5 (on time).

15–20% start at age 6 (delayed entry).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

I can only imagine what job you do, can't be anything that requires any intellectual rigor or facts:

Nationally, around 4–6% of all U.S. kindergarten-age children are redshirted.

But among summer-born kids (June–August), the rate is much higher:

National Center for Education Statistics (NCES, 2015): About 20% of summer-born boys and 13% of summer-born girls were held back a year.

Harvard / Brookings studies: Roughly 1 in 5 summer-born children (≈ 20%) delay kindergarten, compared to < 5% of fall/spring-born children.

This means:

80–85% of July/August-born children start kindergarten at age 5 (on time).

15–20% start at age 6 (delayed entry).

What is all this nonsense?

July and June players are not in the SY 365 day eligibility window. Therefore the Trapped Player rules will be discarded by ECNL when switching from BY to SY.

[Anonymous]

Hahahaha 😆

Now the guy who wanted a SY "hard 365 day eligibility cutoff" wants to change it to a 14 month window so he can slip in GY.

Sorry nobody wants you around. Go cheat somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

I can only imagine what job you do, can't be anything that requires any intellectual rigor or facts:

Nationally, around 4–6% of all U.S. kindergarten-age children are redshirted.

But among summer-born kids (June–August), the rate is much higher:

National Center for Education Statistics (NCES, 2015): About 20% of summer-born boys and 13% of summer-born girls were held back a year.

Harvard / Brookings studies: Roughly 1 in 5 summer-born children (≈ 20%) delay kindergarten, compared to < 5% of fall/spring-born children.

This means:

80–85% of July/August-born children start kindergarten at age 5 (on time).

15–20% start at age 6 (delayed entry).

The PP you are quoting is illustrating the non hold back numbers. NOBODY cares about your June born kid that you held back purposely. This is NOT school year, it is seasonal year, with a 365 window that your hold back does not fit into. You are already getting all the school year benefits from holding them back but club is not going to create an artificial 14 month window for you because you feel special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

I can only imagine what job you do, can't be anything that requires any intellectual rigor or facts:

Nationally, around 4–6% of all U.S. kindergarten-age children are redshirted.

But among summer-born kids (June–August), the rate is much higher:

National Center for Education Statistics (NCES, 2015): About 20% of summer-born boys and 13% of summer-born girls were held back a year.

Harvard / Brookings studies: Roughly 1 in 5 summer-born children (≈ 20%) delay kindergarten, compared to < 5% of fall/spring-born children.

This means:

80–85% of July/August-born children start kindergarten at age 5 (on time).

15–20% start at age 6 (delayed entry).

Why stop at just June/July?? It appears that about .5% of kids delay K start by 6 months or more. I think we need to allow them to play with their current grade as well. So lets make the exception window at least 12 months just to make sure we dont miss anyone so they can be up to 24 months older than the kids they are playing against!

/s (just in case Mr/Mrs analytics doesn’t understand sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

Correct the point was to reduce misalignment not eliminate completely in order to preserve a 12 month window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hahahaha 😆

Now the guy who wanted a SY "hard 365 day eligibility cutoff" wants to change it to a 14 month window so he can slip in GY.

Sorry nobody wants you around. Go cheat somewhere else.

MLS has 24 month window, so you can cheat there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahaha 😆

Now the guy who wanted a SY "hard 365 day eligibility cutoff" wants to change it to a 14 month window so he can slip in GY.

Sorry nobody wants you around. Go cheat somewhere else.

MLS has 24 month window, so you can cheat there.

Its a differnet end goal..

MLSN = Pro and College is a by product
ECNL (and other leagues) = College

What this means is that because MLSN is looking to find pro players biobanders dont matter. In fact they're probabaly hurting their opportunity at playing pro by biobanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahaha 😆

Now the guy who wanted a SY "hard 365 day eligibility cutoff" wants to change it to a 14 month window so he can slip in GY.

Sorry nobody wants you around. Go cheat somewhere else.

MLS has 24 month window, so you can cheat there.

Its a differnet end goal..

MLSN = Pro and College is a by product
ECNL (and other leagues) = College

What this means is that because MLSN is looking to find pro players biobanders dont matter. In fact they're probabaly hurting their opportunity at playing pro by biobanding.

If that was true they wouldn’t have took the idea from euro clubs, ECNL for college means being by grade is what matters.

Will ECNL actually go with GY showcases? I doubt it but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahaha 😆

Now the guy who wanted a SY "hard 365 day eligibility cutoff" wants to change it to a 14 month window so he can slip in GY.

Sorry nobody wants you around. Go cheat somewhere else.

MLS has 24 month window, so you can cheat there.

Its a differnet end goal..

MLSN = Pro and College is a by product
ECNL (and other leagues) = College

What this means is that because MLSN is looking to find pro players biobanders dont matter. In fact they're probabaly hurting their opportunity at playing pro by biobanding.

If that was true they wouldn’t have took the idea from euro clubs, ECNL for college means being by grade is what matters.

Will ECNL actually go with GY showcases? I doubt it but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

You can keep saying it but it wont happen.

As has been highlighted by multiple posters nobody wants GY in club soccer. Go cheat in HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

The rule will be removed because the Trapped Players under BY were within the 365 day eligibility window.

In SY if there are June/July starts (never heard of a June start and btw July starts at .001% of the total) they are outside of the 365 day eligibility window.

Learn to read a calendar.

I can only imagine what job you do, can't be anything that requires any intellectual rigor or facts:

Nationally, around 4–6% of all U.S. kindergarten-age children are redshirted.

But among summer-born kids (June–August), the rate is much higher:

National Center for Education Statistics (NCES, 2015): About 20% of summer-born boys and 13% of summer-born girls were held back a year.

Harvard / Brookings studies: Roughly 1 in 5 summer-born children (≈ 20%) delay kindergarten, compared to < 5% of fall/spring-born children.

This means:

80–85% of July/August-born children start kindergarten at age 5 (on time).

15–20% start at age 6 (delayed entry).

Why stop at just June/July?? It appears that about .5% of kids delay K start by 6 months or more. I think we need to allow them to play with their current grade as well. So lets make the exception window at least 12 months just to make sure we dont miss anyone so they can be up to 24 months older than the kids they are playing against!

/s (just in case Mr/Mrs analytics doesn’t understand sarcasm)

The point, morons, is that nobody is doing this for cheating and certainly almost nobody is doing this for soccer. The data illiteracy and ignorance about how the world works is unbelievable on this forum. Cleary many people that should have repeated multiple grades in school and as such are frustrated that they can't get a job as a barista.