ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Pro tip, when replying to yourself, wait more than 5-10 sec to at least try to not be so obvious.

They can’t help themselves just like they can’t stop ECNL and most likely GA from going GY for the olders for showcases.

Read the new rules from us soccer on showcases it definitely allows for GY if that’s something a league who wants to make recruiting easier for college scouts wants to do….

Says nothing about GY at showcases...

https://www.ussoccer.com/laws-of-the-game-changes

That’s for 25/26 look at 26/27

Nope, nothing there 26/27 seems to be all about switching from BY to SY nothing else really.

Read my friend it’s in there

You make statements + others look them up and say their untrue.

Backup your statements with receipts or shutup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pro tip, when replying to yourself, wait more than 5-10 sec to at least try to not be so obvious.

They can’t help themselves just like they can’t stop ECNL and most likely GA from going GY for the olders for showcases.

Read the new rules from us soccer on showcases it definitely allows for GY if that’s something a league who wants to make recruiting easier for college scouts wants to do….

I looked and nothing you've said holds water. I think what you're dreaming about in your head is that because US Soccer has allowed leagues to pick whatever grouping they want that somehow this translates into GY at showcases.

1. You can't do this under current ECNL and I think GA rules because showcase results are used to calculate who gets a wildcard

2. Parents will flip out if clubs bring down older players during their kids prime recruiting years.

Whats to gain? Some player from outside the club or a club player playing with their age suddently gets to play down in showcases with their grade ? I can see where a cheater would love this but nobody else will.

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions | It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), league organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

This is what written on us soccer website which shows there can be some differences between league play age groups and showcase age groups.

ECNL already allows players who are misaligned for school grade to join U17 for all showcases. ECNL will continue to allow U17 and U19 Juniors/Seniors to play with their correct grade for showcases.

Hate it all you want it’s going to happen.

Never heard of this before + seems like you're cutting and pasting in u17.

Theres u18/u19 which is basically senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Name a scenario where kids are trapped now? There are none. If you are an august birthday in a 9-1 state you can play up. Therefore not trapped. So sick of people saying there are still trapped players, there aren’t.

July kids. Just saw several parents raise the issue in response to the GA annoucement. They'll be trapped.

Your heart will always bleed if you are stumping for the 7 kids in North Dakota born on 7/31. Trapped as an issue is gone.

It's not gone. People don't always follow school cut offs. They follow what's best for their kid and it's not about youth sports.

Let’s not be intellectually dishonest. A large percentage of the time, when kids are held back and dont follow school cut off dates, their parents are looking for some type of “advantage”, be it academic or athletic. Let’s not waste any time worrying about them not fitting and being “held back trapped”. They will make up for it by being the oldest kid in the class taking the ACT or being the oldest freshman in high school.

For those that are truly held back for legitimate reasons, well, those aren’t the kids usually going to UVA on a soccer scholarship so probably not an issue to begin with.

Talk about intellectually dishonest, the data says more June/July kids held back in school at much, much higher rates than any other age. You think the parents of the kids for those 2 months are just the super genius cheater parents (again with this cheater nonsense from some clowns)? No, the reality is the developmental data also says being the youngest kid in your grade yields, on average, worse outcomes across a number of measurable dimensions. It's not about sports. Quit with the uninformed "cheater" nonsense.

So how do we solve the problem where nobody is the youngest in a grade.

Good lord people you are basically saying someone has to be youngest just as long as it’s not my kid.

If everyone thought like you did it would be an arms race and then we have 19 year old sophomores.

So you take the good with the bad. Oldest in grade and youngest in club. You made your choice now live with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pro tip, when replying to yourself, wait more than 5-10 sec to at least try to not be so obvious.

They can’t help themselves just like they can’t stop ECNL and most likely GA from going GY for the olders for showcases.

Read the new rules from us soccer on showcases it definitely allows for GY if that’s something a league who wants to make recruiting easier for college scouts wants to do….

I looked and nothing you've said holds water. I think what you're dreaming about in your head is that because US Soccer has allowed leagues to pick whatever grouping they want that somehow this translates into GY at showcases.

1. You can't do this under current ECNL and I think GA rules because showcase results are used to calculate who gets a wildcard

2. Parents will flip out if clubs bring down older players during their kids prime recruiting years.

Whats to gain? Some player from outside the club or a club player playing with their age suddently gets to play down in showcases with their grade ? I can see where a cheater would love this but nobody else will.

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions | It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), league organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

This is what written on us soccer website which shows there can be some differences between league play age groups and showcase age groups.

ECNL already allows players who are misaligned for school grade to join U17 for all showcases. ECNL will continue to allow U17 and U19 Juniors/Seniors to play with their correct grade for showcases.

Hate it all you want it’s going to happen.

Never heard of this before + seems like you're cutting and pasting in u17.

Theres u18/u19 which is basically senior year.

Read the ECNL rule book any player who’s currently a junior U18/19 is able to compete in all U17 showcases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pro tip, when replying to yourself, wait more than 5-10 sec to at least try to not be so obvious.

They can’t help themselves just like they can’t stop ECNL and most likely GA from going GY for the olders for showcases.

Read the new rules from us soccer on showcases it definitely allows for GY if that’s something a league who wants to make recruiting easier for college scouts wants to do….

Says nothing about GY at showcases...

https://www.ussoccer.com/laws-of-the-game-changes

That’s for 25/26 look at 26/27

Nope, nothing there 26/27 seems to be all about switching from BY to SY nothing else really.

Read my friend it’s in there

You make statements + others look them up and say their untrue.

Backup your statements with receipts or shutup.

It’s already posted on here? So I didn’t feel like I had to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pro tip, when replying to yourself, wait more than 5-10 sec to at least try to not be so obvious.

They can’t help themselves just like they can’t stop ECNL and most likely GA from going GY for the olders for showcases.

Read the new rules from us soccer on showcases it definitely allows for GY if that’s something a league who wants to make recruiting easier for college scouts wants to do….

I looked and nothing you've said holds water. I think what you're dreaming about in your head is that because US Soccer has allowed leagues to pick whatever grouping they want that somehow this translates into GY at showcases.

1. You can't do this under current ECNL and I think GA rules because showcase results are used to calculate who gets a wildcard

2. Parents will flip out if clubs bring down older players during their kids prime recruiting years.

Whats to gain? Some player from outside the club or a club player playing with their age suddently gets to play down in showcases with their grade ? I can see where a cheater would love this but nobody else will.

Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions | It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), league organization members will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice.

This is what written on us soccer website which shows there can be some differences between league play age groups and showcase age groups.

ECNL already allows players who are misaligned for school grade to join U17 for all showcases. ECNL will continue to allow U17 and U19 Juniors/Seniors to play with their correct grade for showcases.

Hate it all you want it’s going to happen.

Never heard of this before + seems like you're cutting and pasting in u17.

Theres u18/u19 which is basically senior year.

Read the ECNL rule book any player who’s currently a junior U18/19 is able to compete in all U17 showcases.

First the ECNL rulebook doesnt call out the word showcase anywhere in the entire document. It uses the term Event for everything.

Second here's the only situation where ECNL allows u17 to play down. The situation goes away when changing from BY to SY. Sorry no cheating by playing down for you. :'-(

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.
2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group, is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at U17 ECNL National Events in the ECNL Regular Season, and in all divisions of the ECNL Club Post-season except for the Champions League. Trapped U18/U19
Players are not eligible to participate in the ECNL Regional League Post-season.
Where they are eligible to play as indicated above, there is no limit on the
number of Trapped U18/U19 Players that may participate in any single game.

[Anonymous]

The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

If MLS can have biobanding to let players play down, then ECNL can have GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Its a flippin showcase. No one is cheating because THE GAME SCORES DON"T MEAN ANYTHING. The entire point of the event is for players to get exposure in front of college coaches. And you know what those college coaches want? what the feedback they have given ECNL is? Shocker - they want to see players by graduation year (i.e. grade year).

You can say all you want but those in the know, know this is happening and ECNL/ECRL showcases will allow adjustment for graduation year. Our RL team has three goalies on the 2008 team and one on the 2009. One of the 08s is a fall birthday who will switch down when we go to Aug 1 cutoff next year. Our RL director has already said the third goalie will be allowed to play with the 09s in ECRL showcases so that no one has to sit out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Its a flippin showcase. No one is cheating because THE GAME SCORES DON"T MEAN ANYTHING. The entire point of the event is for players to get exposure in front of college coaches. And you know what those college coaches want? what the feedback they have given ECNL is? Shocker - they want to see players by graduation year (i.e. grade year).

You can say all you want but those in the know, know this is happening and ECNL/ECRL showcases will allow adjustment for graduation year. Our RL team has three goalies on the 2008 team and one on the 2009. One of the 08s is a fall birthday who will switch down when we go to Aug 1 cutoff next year. Our RL director has already said the third goalie will be allowed to play with the 09s in ECRL showcases so that no one has to sit out.

Read the rules...

1st ECNL uses showcase results to determine wildcards.

2nd ECNL doesnt call out Showcases as something different than league events. Theres Pre and Post season events thats all.

The GY guy is in fantasy land trying to square peg current Birth Year Trapped Player accomodations into his delusional round GY hole.

[Anonymous]

Will ECNL allow some Q3/Q4 players to play in the younger group in the Spring season? The younger tryouts will be held in February. I assume the SY team will be formed at that time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lengths that youre willing to go to try and convince people that ECNL will allow GY is ridiculious. Not only do you want your kid to cheat by playing down you seem like a cheater in life telling lies then expanding on them when youre not called out.

Read 2.9 (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCH0V7ifsl0Fm_KI9_HY8Z9Jnchd332j/edit) - it is very clear that if you are in 11th grade but technically U18 (thus in the U18/U19) that you can play U17. And then in 12th grade it's grad year at U18/U19 anyway. It is not cheating if it is in the rules, just like so many other things the "cheater" crowd keeps complaining about. Unless you are faking a BC or something similar, it's not cheating. And learn to spell.

Hahaha you keep trying to spin things. So pathetic.

What you're quoting are current Trapped Player accommodations. These were implemeted so under BY Trapped Players don't get screwed. Again, once ECNL switches from BY to SY the Trapped Player accommodation rules will be removed this is because 99% of trapped players have been addressed. How are you not understanding this?

So your argument is that they will take this away and any June or July kids won't be able to play anymore? So a more narrow group and they will take it away? That seems, like most other things you have posted, monumentally naive or just stupidly angry (or both).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will ECNL allow some Q3/Q4 players to play in the younger group in the Spring season? The younger tryouts will be held in February. I assume the SY team will be formed at that time.

No