DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

You are being sensitive. What I wrote is informative. It makes understanding the process easier. All DA sessions and offers across the country follow the same timeline.

The loophole is when clubs don't tell their current players they are going to be cut. For example, there are kids on DA rosters throughout the country who won't make the team next year. However, some clubs have failed to tell the kids yet which in turns hurts their opportunity to go elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

You are being sensitive. What I wrote is informative. It makes understanding the process easier. All DA sessions and offers across the country follow the same timeline.

The loophole is when clubs don't tell their current players they are going to be cut. For example, there are kids on DA rosters throughout the country who won't make the team next year. However, some clubs have failed to tell the kids yet which in turns hurts their opportunity to go elsewhere.

I wasn't talking about you at all. My bad. I apologize. I should have been more clear. I was talking about the person who made some bizarre nasty about me being bitter just because I was comparing the FCV process to the Spirit process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

You are being sensitive. What I wrote is informative. It makes understanding the process easier. All DA sessions and offers across the country follow the same timeline.

The loophole is when clubs don't tell their current players they are going to be cut. For example, there are kids on DA rosters throughout the country who won't make the team next year. However, some clubs have failed to tell the kids yet which in turns hurts their opportunity to go elsewhere.

I wasn't talking about you at all. My bad. I apologize. I should have been more clear. I was talking about the person who made some bizarre nasty about me being bitter just because I was comparing the FCV process to the Spirit process.

It's all good. Fist bump.

[Anonymous]

The FCV process was to whisper in the ears of the girls they wanted back in February. Everyone else on the teams was told no decisions had been made. Then when Da offers went out a month ago families only heard about it from each other. No official word of offers and no information for those who didn't get an offer. Still today they string along their players with a hope that maybe they will be picked instead of honestly telling them to go elsewhere. They want and need these girls for their 2nd team... to play in npl. More players to pay the bills. So they don't want them leaving for another da or ecnl. That's the FCV way. Sneaky, little information. No loyalty . Have been there for years. The training is great. Everything else sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The FCV process was to whisper in the ears of the girls they wanted back in February. Everyone else on the teams was told no decisions had been made. Then when Da offers went out a month ago families only heard about it from each other. No official word of offers and no information for those who didn't get an offer. Still today they string along their players with a hope that maybe they will be picked instead of honestly telling them to go elsewhere. They want and need these girls for their 2nd team... to play in npl. More players to pay the bills. So they don't want them leaving for another da or ecnl. That's the FCV way. Sneaky, little information. No loyalty . Have been there for years. The training is great. Everything else sucks.

I was debating to release that information. So yeah, the whispers have already been put out at FCV. Everything else this person write is spot on.

[Anonymous]

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So you have seen a few ERL and State Cup games...well, I have seen more than a few as well as plenty of DA and ECNL games...

Are there good teams outside of the DA and ECNL that could be competitive with them? Yes, but they are becoming fewer and farther between and the level of skill and soccer intelligence is higher on average with Boys DA and the better girls ECNL and DA squads.

On the boys side, DA is the top by far. With ECNL now moving into the boys side, you are seeing mid-tier clubs like BRYC and McLean being elevated into the "Elite Clubs National League." As you note, this is largely a Club thing and there can be inconsistency across ages (especially with ECNL). As this happens, the importance / strength of the State Cup and USYSA regional leagues will decline. Will there still be good teams competing in State Cup and ERL? Yes, but there won't be as many really great teams especially as you move up the age groups.

On the girls side, early ECNL was good and mirrored much of the DA structure and process, but AFAIK was still club centric (as opposed to federation centric) and didn't go as far as Boys DA in adopting substitution and other rules. With only the ECNL, you still had strong regional and national competition pathways for girls teams and you would see this in State Cup and ERL and so on. With the Girls DA, you now have former ECNL clubs jump to DA (FCV and Washington Spirit), you have former USYSA powerhouses like BRYC go to ECNL and join McLean and you have Arlington move to join their boys side at DA. Will there still be good girls teams outside of DA and ECNL playing in state cup and ERL and other USYSA national competitions, yes, but again, you wont have as consistent of a level of play and quality, especially as the teams get older and skill and development take over from raw athletic ability.

On the girls side, ECNL and DA are from my vantage point right now a wash, but I would say that over the long haul, the top players will gravitate to the Development Academy because the Academy has the resources and backing of the Federation and will push their member clubs to adhere to standards or get dropped. The Federation will insist on clubs emphasizing skill and tactics over sheer athleticism. AFAIK, ECNL doesn't push / enforce this.

On the boys side, DA is head and shoulders above ECNL and mid-tier clubs like BRYC and McLean don't suddenly become "elite" just because they joined ECNL. Other clubs will continue to compete in State Cup and individual teams will go on and have success at regional and national levels, but then those clubs will feel pressure to join some more "elite" level competition, and the cycle continues anew.

A lot of good points. It also speaks to how soccer today has evolved for American youth. I think the point on standards of play is important. I saw within the ECNL, clubs that leveraged athleticism over technique. I would say NC Fusion definitely has that style of high press, kick ball out of the back tactics, whereas Charlotte Academy was definitely a technical club.

This is why I shall be in a little less of a hurry to beat Arlington about the head and shoulders. Even if their current style isn’t higher level soccer, one of the strengths of the DA is the involvement of USSF in guiding clubs and enforcing standards. I have seen USSF technical staff at practices doing just that. Which means Arlington may shift its style based on USSF feedback.

Change their style based on USSF feedback? The same USSF that appointed Bruce Arena to take us to the World Cup, and just elected Carlos Cordeiro as president?

I guess that you were one of those people screaming for changes - "end pay to play!" "We want Pro/Rel." "Fix the youth system!!!" as you fork over your thousands of $$$ so that your DD or DS can play in the ECNL.

And for the record, the feedback that shapes the DA comes from the US Soccer Technical Staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So you have seen a few ERL and State Cup games...well, I have seen more than a few as well as plenty of DA and ECNL games...

Are there good teams outside of the DA and ECNL that could be competitive with them? Yes, but they are becoming fewer and farther between and the level of skill and soccer intelligence is higher on average with Boys DA and the better girls ECNL and DA squads.

On the boys side, DA is the top by far. With ECNL now moving into the boys side, you are seeing mid-tier clubs like BRYC and McLean being elevated into the "Elite Clubs National League." As you note, this is largely a Club thing and there can be inconsistency across ages (especially with ECNL). As this happens, the importance / strength of the State Cup and USYSA regional leagues will decline. Will there still be good teams competing in State Cup and ERL? Yes, but there won't be as many really great teams especially as you move up the age groups.

On the girls side, early ECNL was good and mirrored much of the DA structure and process, but AFAIK was still club centric (as opposed to federation centric) and didn't go as far as Boys DA in adopting substitution and other rules. With only the ECNL, you still had strong regional and national competition pathways for girls teams and you would see this in State Cup and ERL and so on. With the Girls DA, you now have former ECNL clubs jump to DA (FCV and Washington Spirit), you have former USYSA powerhouses like BRYC go to ECNL and join McLean and you have Arlington move to join their boys side at DA. Will there still be good girls teams outside of DA and ECNL playing in state cup and ERL and other USYSA national competitions, yes, but again, you wont have as consistent of a level of play and quality, especially as the teams get older and skill and development take over from raw athletic ability.

On the girls side, ECNL and DA are from my vantage point right now a wash, but I would say that over the long haul, the top players will gravitate to the Development Academy because the Academy has the resources and backing of the Federation and will push their member clubs to adhere to standards or get dropped. The Federation will insist on clubs emphasizing skill and tactics over sheer athleticism. AFAIK, ECNL doesn't push / enforce this.

On the boys side, DA is head and shoulders above ECNL and mid-tier clubs like BRYC and McLean don't suddenly become "elite" just because they joined ECNL. Other clubs will continue to compete in State Cup and individual teams will go on and have success at regional and national levels, but then those clubs will feel pressure to join some more "elite" level competition, and the cycle continues anew.

A lot of good points. It also speaks to how soccer today has evolved for American youth. I think the point on standards of play is important. I saw within the ECNL, clubs that leveraged athleticism over technique. I would say NC Fusion definitely has that style of high press, kick ball out of the back tactics, whereas Charlotte Academy was definitely a technical club.

This is why I shall be in a little less of a hurry to beat Arlington about the head and shoulders. Even if their current style isn’t higher level soccer, one of the strengths of the DA is the involvement of USSF in guiding clubs and enforcing standards. I have seen USSF technical staff at practices doing just that. Which means Arlington may shift its style based on USSF feedback.

Change their style based on USSF feedback? The same USSF that appointed Bruce Arena to take us to the World Cup, and just elected Carlos Cordeiro as president?

I guess that you were one of those people screaming for changes - "end pay to play!" "We want Pro/Rel." "Fix the youth system!!!" as you fork over your thousands of $$$ so that your DD or DS can play in the ECNL.

And for the record, the feedback that shapes the DA comes from the US Soccer Technical Staff.

LMAO!!! I’m a coach...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

There is definitely a DCUM SP with different personalities, easy to spot his posts. Otherwise great info sharing going on. Not everyone a hater!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV process was to whisper in the ears of the girls they wanted back in February. Everyone else on the teams was told no decisions had been made. Then when Da offers went out a month ago families only heard about it from each other. No official word of offers and no information for those who didn't get an offer. Still today they string along their players with a hope that maybe they will be picked instead of honestly telling them to go elsewhere. They want and need these girls for their 2nd team... to play in npl. More players to pay the bills. So they don't want them leaving for another da or ecnl. That's the FCV way. Sneaky, little information. No loyalty . Have been there for years. The training is great. Everything else sucks.

I was debating to release that information. So yeah, the whispers have already been put out at FCV. Everything else this person write is spot on.

Is that really unique to FCV? If you havent heard yet and you are potentially vying for spot 15-20, perhaps you do understand what’s going on (maybe not why) and just hoping to be part of something. If you arent thinking plan B, this far into DA offers and thought spot wasnt an issue of contention and coach is leading you on.. that’s different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The FCV process was to whisper in the ears of the girls they wanted back in February. Everyone else on the teams was told no decisions had been made. Then when Da offers went out a month ago families only heard about it from each other. No official word of offers and no information for those who didn't get an offer. Still today they string along their players with a hope that maybe they will be picked instead of honestly telling them to go elsewhere. They want and need these girls for their 2nd team... to play in npl. More players to pay the bills. So they don't want them leaving for another da or ecnl. That's the FCV way. Sneaky, little information. No loyalty . Have been there for years. The training is great. Everything else sucks.

I was debating to release that information. So yeah, the whispers have already been put out at FCV. Everything else this person write is spot on.

The whispers have been put out to the little birds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with FCV this year is that they haven't told the kids who will be cut from existing rosters...causing them to miss other tryouts.

Oh, I get it, so they are actually following a similar timeline as Spirit then. That's a fuller answer. Thank you.

You seem real bitter toward Spirit.

If you think your kid is on the bubble then you need to attend tryouts elsewhere.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I'm a huge Spirit fan and think it's a wonderful program. I'm just curious about the other DA programs, and in fact the purpose of this board is to information share.

All DA's operate by the same guidelines because they are governed by the same organization (USSF) who sets the rules.

True, but since this is year one, I find it interesting to follow the process and be informed about what's going on.

I don't get however all the haters on this board. I'm asking simple questions. Unless it's not multiple haters, but just one DCUM SP trying to make us feel like there are many. Who knows?

You are being sensitive. What I wrote is informative. It makes understanding the process easier. All DA sessions and offers across the country follow the same timeline.

The loophole is when clubs don't tell their current players they are going to be cut. For example, there are kids on DA rosters throughout the country who won't make the team next year. However, some clubs have failed to tell the kids yet which in turns hurts their opportunity to go elsewhere.

I wasn't talking about you at all. My bad. I apologize. I should have been more clear. I was talking about the person who made some bizarre nasty about me being bitter just because I was comparing the FCV process to the Spirit process.

It's all good. Fist bump.

Fist bump! p#d

[Anonymous]

I know folks like to bash but how do you argue with these results?https://www.fcvirginia.com/page/show/3158219-college-commitments

[Anonymous]

FCV’s little birds are on this board. They recruit parents to do their bidding. Welcome to the show.