Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Of course. I understand that part. I meant that they staged that for the authorities. But that was the plan on their end. To make it look like he was attacking the poor woman. I just wanted to explain the order in which the shots have been fired. It makes more sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course. I understand that part. I meant that they staged that for the authorities. But that was the plan on their end. To make it look like he was attacking the poor woman. I just wanted to explain the order in which the shots have been fired. It makes more sense.

Except the shot to the chest (by her) was definitively the one that killed Joe.

[Anonymous]

Is the au pair’s Instagram still up? I couldn’t find it, but remember seeing it last year. Thought she had photos of her and BB up there - why were those not entered into evidence as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the au pair’s Instagram still up? I couldn’t find it, but remember seeing it last year. Thought she had photos of her and BB up there - why were those not entered into evidence as well?

Guys- this was a hearing to show probably cause so the case could move forward to trial. MANY many more details will come out during the trial. They only needed to show the evidence needed to show she committed a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Carter alleges that, when he interrogated Magalhaes, she admitted to firing a second shot at Ryan but couldn’t recall if it struck him. Although Portuguese is Magalhaes’s first language, the interrogation was in English. According to Carter, Magalhaes didn’t request an interpreter and asked for only one term — “aluminum foil” — to be translated.

Please.

Second degree does not require premeditation.

Magalhaes faces charges of second-degree murder, meaning the killing was intentional but not planned. However, at the preliminary hearing, prosecutors outlined events leading to Ryan’s death and introduced new evidence they said suggests the killing might have been premeditated.

If the charges are changed due to investigation then she could be looking at more significant prison time. Maybe that will get her attention.

This article from today lays out a lot of detail in a very straightforward way. https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/04/02/murder-case-against-reston-au-pair-tied-to-fatal-shooting-moves-closer-to-trial/

I think AP's defense is that she was scared out of her mind and in a split second (or seconds) she did what her boss told her to do. She's in a different country and doesn't know much --- she didn't have time to think, etc. That's her defense.

I'm sure her team will work VERY hard to keep the info. about the affair out of the trial. Don't know if that will be successful. Might depend on whether there is any other evidence suggesting that AP was part of a plan hatched by BB. If the prosecutors can't show evidence of a conspiracy to work with BB in murdering CB and JR, then a judge might ban any evidence of AP's relationship with BB.

And even if the judge lets it into a trial, AP's lawyers can use it to their client's advantage and say that she was under BB's control and had to do whatever he said b/c she was young and impressionable and wanting to stay in the U.S. -- her boss came onto her and she had no way out -- so she was mentally subserviant to him and naturally did whatever he told her to do -- especially when he told her to get a gun and shoot this guy who appeared to have killed her other boss (CB).

You can see how AP's defense atty can spin it to her advantage either way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They do not charge him for shooting first because, in this case, this was self-defense. Since JR was disabled after the first shot and not more of a direct threat, the second shooting is considered murder. BB should be responsible for ordering her to get a gun, and she is guilty of shooting the men dead if this is what truly happened. But it looks like BS. My theory is that she shot first with her gun. As planned. He then shot to kill him with his work gun because since he didn't get killed with the first shot, she probably got scared and called the police too soon. They agreed to lie to the authorities. And thus the confusion. Poor little girl who was at the house. I wonder if she saw or heard anything. I hope they both get to spend long time in prison and the girl stays with her beloved mother's family.

The girl's mental health is going to be seriously screwed up regardless -- now that she's become attached to BB as her sole parent, having already lost her own mother AND the woman who stepped into the mother's place (AP). She probably has distant memories of her maternal grandparents and the longer it takes to put BB in jail, the more traumatic it is going to be to re-home the girl with the maternal relatives she no longer knows.

That's the heartbreaking part. I can be patient and wait for BB to get his justice even if it takes some years for AP to flip while sitting along in jail. But, every single day that passes, the little girl is being harmed by not having contact with the maternal relatives who will eventually have to care for her. That's a lot of psychological trauma -- for a girl to have to live with people she doesn't know and losing the father who acts as though he is the only one who loves her. Wicked torture for a child/teen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the au pair’s Instagram still up? I couldn’t find it, but remember seeing it last year. Thought she had photos of her and BB up there - why were those not entered into evidence as well?

The preliminary hearing is about probable cause, as the judge noted, he does not need to consider motive, that she admitted shooting at Joe was sufficient to refer to grand jury. It was a prelim, not her trial. Some photos were entered, including one that looked like a card, it appeared to have one photo from her IG, the one from the restaurant that had a caption re: FOB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do not charge him for shooting first because, in this case, this was self-defense. Since JR was disabled after the first shot and not more of a direct threat, the second shooting is considered murder. BB should be responsible for ordering her to get a gun, and she is guilty of shooting the men dead if this is what truly happened. But it looks like BS. My theory is that she shot first with her gun. As planned. He then shot to kill him with his work gun because since he didn't get killed with the first shot, she probably got scared and called the police too soon. They agreed to lie to the authorities. And thus the confusion. Poor little girl who was at the house. I wonder if she saw or heard anything. I hope they both get to spend long time in prison and the girl stays with her beloved mother's family.

The girl's mental health is going to be seriously screwed up regardless -- now that she's become attached to BB as her sole parent, having already lost her own mother AND the woman who stepped into the mother's place (AP). She probably has distant memories of her maternal grandparents and the longer it takes to put BB in jail, the more traumatic it is going to be to re-home the girl with the maternal relatives she no longer knows.

That's the heartbreaking part. I can be patient and wait for BB to get his justice even if it takes some years for AP to flip while sitting along in jail. But, every single day that passes, the little girl is being harmed by not having contact with the maternal relatives who will eventually have to care for her. That's a lot of psychological trauma -- for a girl to have to live with people she doesn't know and losing the father who acts as though he is the only one who loves her. Wicked torture for a child/teen.

She may be cared for by the paternal grandmother currently involved in her care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They do not charge him for shooting first because, in this case, this was self-defense. Since JR was disabled after the first shot and not more of a direct threat, the second shooting is considered murder. BB should be responsible for ordering her to get a gun, and she is guilty of shooting the men dead if this is what truly happened. But it looks like BS. My theory is that she shot first with her gun. As planned. He then shot to kill him with his work gun because since he didn't get killed with the first shot, she probably got scared and called the police too soon. They agreed to lie to the authorities. And thus the confusion. Poor little girl who was at the house. I wonder if she saw or heard anything. I hope they both get to spend long time in prison and the girl stays with her beloved mother's family.

The girl's mental health is going to be seriously screwed up regardless -- now that she's become attached to BB as her sole parent, having already lost her own mother AND the woman who stepped into the mother's place (AP). She probably has distant memories of her maternal grandparents and the longer it takes to put BB in jail, the more traumatic it is going to be to re-home the girl with the maternal relatives she no longer knows.

That's the heartbreaking part. I can be patient and wait for BB to get his justice even if it takes some years for AP to flip while sitting along in jail. But, every single day that passes, the little girl is being harmed by not having contact with the maternal relatives who will eventually have to care for her. That's a lot of psychological trauma -- for a girl to have to live with people she doesn't know and losing the father who acts as though he is the only one who loves her. Wicked torture for a child/teen.

She may be cared for by the paternal grandmother currently involved in her care.

Scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Carter alleges that, when he interrogated Magalhaes, she admitted to firing a second shot at Ryan but couldn’t recall if it struck him. Although Portuguese is Magalhaes’s first language, the interrogation was in English. According to Carter, Magalhaes didn’t request an interpreter and asked for only one term — “aluminum foil” — to be translated.

Please.

Second degree does not require premeditation.

Magalhaes faces charges of second-degree murder, meaning the killing was intentional but not planned. However, at the preliminary hearing, prosecutors outlined events leading to Ryan’s death and introduced new evidence they said suggests the killing might have been premeditated.

If the charges are changed due to investigation then she could be looking at more significant prison time. Maybe that will get her attention.

This article from today lays out a lot of detail in a very straightforward way. https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/04/02/murder-case-against-reston-au-pair-tied-to-fatal-shooting-moves-closer-to-trial/

I think AP's defense is that she was scared out of her mind and in a split second (or seconds) she did what her boss told her to do. She's in a different country and doesn't know much --- she didn't have time to think, etc. That's her defense.

I'm sure her team will work VERY hard to keep the info. about the affair out of the trial. Don't know if that will be successful. Might depend on whether there is any other evidence suggesting that AP was part of a plan hatched by BB. If the prosecutors can't show evidence of a conspiracy to work with BB in murdering CB and JR, then a judge might ban any evidence of AP's relationship with BB.

And even if the judge lets it into a trial, AP's lawyers can use it to their client's advantage and say that she was under BB's control and had to do whatever he said b/c she was young and impressionable and wanting to stay in the U.S. -- her boss came onto her and she had no way out -- so she was mentally subserviant to him and naturally did whatever he told her to do -- especially when he told her to get a gun and shoot this guy who appeared to have killed her other boss (CB).

You can see how AP's defense atty can spin it to her advantage either way.

If this is her defense, great. She would be flipping on BB.

[Anonymous]

Do you think LE would be able to see the timing of the messages on the website and use the nest or her work schedule to see if she was home while the computer was used to create and set up JR coming to the house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Carter alleges that, when he interrogated Magalhaes, she admitted to firing a second shot at Ryan but couldn’t recall if it struck him. Although Portuguese is Magalhaes’s first language, the interrogation was in English. According to Carter, Magalhaes didn’t request an interpreter and asked for only one term — “aluminum foil” — to be translated.

Please.

Second degree does not require premeditation.

Magalhaes faces charges of second-degree murder, meaning the killing was intentional but not planned. However, at the preliminary hearing, prosecutors outlined events leading to Ryan’s death and introduced new evidence they said suggests the killing might have been premeditated.

If the charges are changed due to investigation then she could be looking at more significant prison time. Maybe that will get her attention.

This article from today lays out a lot of detail in a very straightforward way. https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/04/02/murder-case-against-reston-au-pair-tied-to-fatal-shooting-moves-closer-to-trial/

I think AP's defense is that she was scared out of her mind and in a split second (or seconds) she did what her boss told her to do. She's in a different country and doesn't know much --- she didn't have time to think, etc. That's her defense.

I'm sure her team will work VERY hard to keep the info. about the affair out of the trial. Don't know if that will be successful. Might depend on whether there is any other evidence suggesting that AP was part of a plan hatched by BB. If the prosecutors can't show evidence of a conspiracy to work with BB in murdering CB and JR, then a judge might ban any evidence of AP's relationship with BB.

And even if the judge lets it into a trial, AP's lawyers can use it to their client's advantage and say that she was under BB's control and had to do whatever he said b/c she was young and impressionable and wanting to stay in the U.S. -- her boss came onto her and she had no way out -- so she was mentally subserviant to him and naturally did whatever he told her to do -- especially when he told her to get a gun and shoot this guy who appeared to have killed her other boss (CB).

You can see how AP's defense atty can spin it to her advantage either way.

If this is her defense, great. She would be flipping on BB.

Not necessarily. AP doesn't have to give BB away for his role in the killing of CB in order to claim that she was just a naive au pair trying to take care of a preschooler in a foreign country where she has no power. She could frame it that BB took advantage of her status or she could claim that she simply was too shook up to think and she did what she was told to do in a very heated situation. If her boss is telling her he needs help, she might try to work the sympathies of the jury that she walked into a chaotic scene and followed orders as she was expected to do. Her attys argue that she was stunned and freaking out. Now, the prosecutors will say -- why didn't she just run away and call 911. But AP's lawyers could say that she only had a moment to react and she trusted LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BOSS to know what help he needed from her and she did what she was told.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think LE would be able to see the timing of the messages on the website and use the nest or her work schedule to see if she was home while the computer was used to create and set up JR coming to the house?

I imagine they will try. They have mentioned electronic forensic evidence.

As IRS LE that is likely a type of evidence BB is very familiar with too.

I hope there is justice for Joe and Christine.

[Anonymous]

If convicted she will be sentenced, minus time served and deported. Any way she could legally stay or return? Could he marry her while she is in prison and thus she could stay?

Just trying to figure out how there would be any "future" to their relationship at all.

The idea of slotting into Christine's life also requires INCOME and hard to see how BB will manage that piece.

Not only are 2 people dead but he basically blew up his own middle class life (except in the 8 months prior to her arrest). Seeing if he can get away with it has to be part of the driver for him, it's very OJish to me.

I don't get the visa and $ issues at all. OJ had money and did not have to pass a clearance to work in his field.

I do think she will be convicted re: second degree, no premeditation required. Then what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If convicted she will be sentenced, minus time served and deported. Any way she could legally stay or return? Could he marry her while she is in prison and thus she could stay?

Just trying to figure out how there would be any "future" to their relationship at all.

The idea of slotting into Christine's life also requires INCOME and hard to see how BB will manage that piece.

Not only are 2 people dead but he basically blew up his own middle class life (except in the 8 months prior to her arrest). Seeing if he can get away with it has to be part of the driver for him, it's very OJish to me.

I don't get the visa and $ issues at all. OJ had money and did not have to pass a clearance to work in his field.

I do think she will be convicted re: second degree, no premeditation required. Then what?

The first night's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in …. and when they put you in that cell... and those bars slam home... that's when you know it's for real. A whole life blown away in the blink of an eye. Nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it.