First of all, this isn’t true about guns any more than it’s true about drugs, hammers, knives, poisons, pots and pans, fire, automobiles, toilet tank covers or any other inanimate object criminals misuse. Second, this will never happen. It cannot be accomplished lawfully, and even if it could, it cannot be accomplished practically. Continuing to advocate for a fantasy solution does nothing to address the problem. |
Then you might as well give up now. This will never ever happen. Not in a million years. Space aliens will arrive on earth and begin their reign over the human species before the country is completely rid of guns. |
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I think banning all guns except rifles and shotguns is a great idea. And of course people realize there are hundreds of millions of guns in America. But if we don’t start lowering numbers now, things will only get worse. It may take 50years, it may take 100, but we owe it to our children and grandchildren to give them a safer, less violent future. If we throw our hands up and give up, that makes us responsible for all the murders and suicides down the road. |
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No “blood” is “on the hands” of anyone but the person who commits unlawful violence.
Further, I’m sure you have no intention of banning handguns from police or military. What about security personnel? What about business owners subject to robbery and assault? What about people facing threats to their lives? What about professionals at high risk of assault because they, for example, have access to narcotics? What about elderly, weak or small statured people, especially women? What about judges? Political office holders? Magical solutions sound great until one examines the fact that firearms have specific utility for plenty of decent people. And from a practical standpoint the more “illegal” guns are the more incentive there is for illicit manufacture, smuggling, theft from government stockpiles and so forth. Criminals import actual tons of unlawful drugs every year. Do you really believe anti-firearm legislation will stop them? Felons are already prohibited from possessing firearms. It is already unlawful to carry a firearm without a license. Armed robbery, assault and murder are already unlawful. The “magic magnet” doesn’t exist and wouldn’t work if it did. Focus on the criminals, not inanimate objects. |
Blood is on the hands of every single person who fought to make it easier for criminals to get guns, starting with the NRA and gun lobby. We need, at a minimum, complete accountability and traceability of all guns. Maybe that should start with mandatory registration and documentation for every gun transfer and periodic verification that the guns are still in their owners possession. Also, there should be limits on how many guns people can buy, to reduce the pipeline feeding criminals. You DO NOT need to buy 20 glocks a year. |
No. These are all possible but we'll need better leaders going into politics. |
| gun control has to be done on a federal basis. It is useless on the state level---particularly in DC, where guns just flood in from Virginia. Throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s, DC had some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, and it had no effect on gang violence/underclass culture of shootouts. |
All we need are political figures willing to impose strict laws, and see that they’re enforced. Pick a date in the future, 2,3 years, whatever. After “X” date, you cannot own or possess a gun. Period. No exceptions. If you do, you go to prison for 20 years. No parole, no pleading down for reduced sentence, no time off for good behavior. Twenty. Years. No. Exceptions. We build enough prisons to house these criminals, and we keep them there. I keep reading “90 million people own guns”… Ok, let’s assume that there will be a 10% rate of noncompliance. So we build prison space for 9 million people. The construction process alone would be a major infrastructure stimulus in itself, putting thousands of people back to work to build prisons. After the “x” date passes, the govt can offer large rewards for turning in people who are still working in possession of guns. If people could get $5,000-$10,000 for turning in a loathsome neighbor or family member who had guns hidden, they’d do it in a heartbeat. And big tech can use their algorithms to scour the internet looking for likely gun possession based on posts or searches. This problem CAN be stamped out within five years. All it takes are leaders willing to step up to the plate and commit to it. |
And some will still choose lives of evil and crime. What are you in la la land going to do about that? |
If some of you are so dense as to blame hunger on drive by shootings - to even suggest that the two are remotely connected -- I don't think there is much hope for your providing sensible input to this conversation. |
| ^^ blame drive by shootings on hunger |
This should tell you that it is not about the guns, but about the criminals who illegal get the guns. |
Might want to read up on the relevant jurisprudence before you wander too far off into fantasyland. |
Sure, this'll go over big. |
No one, ever, least of all the NRA (which you critique but obviously know nothing about) has ever “fought to make it easier for criminals to get guns.” Well, except maybe a certain administration with its “Fast and Furious” program. Mandatory registration. Why? What does that get you? Other than a confiscation list? Surely you don’t think criminals will register anything. Documentation for every transfer. Because criminals will do that? Periodic verification? Gosh, no Fourth or Fifth Amendment problem there. Fantasy solutions. Juvenile list-making without reference to reality. Lock up the criminals. |