Is John Hopkins an Ivy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

[Anonymous]

Lol, those tiers are useless. Great job with your confirmation bias.

[Anonymous]

TIER ONE:
Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TIER ONE:
Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst

STFU

[Anonymous]

Amherst is not worth a dollar. Bad outcomes. Coddled elite white kids. Have fun lighting your money on fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amherst is not worth a dollar. Bad outcomes. Coddled elite white kids. Have fun lighting your money on fire.

God this is such bullshit. Amherst, its faculty, curriculum and outcomes are extraordinary. If you disagree, you are a severe outlier.

Also, stop worrying about other people's money. It's distasteful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

This is a thread about Hopkins as an undergrad institution, so your comments about Hopkins not caring about undergrads really undermines the notion that Hopkins is a good place to go for undergrad.

Uh no.


Try reading post #1.

There's no assumption at all that this only refers to undergrads.

I'm pretty sure most of the posts on this forum refer to undergrads and JHU, despite its reputation as an excellent research institution, has historically had a relatively less-well-known and weaker undergrad program compared to its peer schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

Official by whom? DCUM-approved? College Confidential? Reddit?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

Official by whom? DCUM-approved? College Confidential? Reddit?

I was wondering about this too - what official list - perhaps in your mind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

So you admit that JHU is bad for undergrads? No wonder the alumni outcome is terrible and gets blown out of the water by the ivies and many of its peer schools. You also sound like a disgruntled and highly insecure college student. Go home and do your homework.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

Official by whom? DCUM-approved? College Confidential? Reddit?

I was wondering about this too - what official list - perhaps in your mind?

This whole "tiers" approach is dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

Official by whom? DCUM-approved? College Confidential? Reddit?

It’s the official college ranking list according to the college ranking officials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Tiers like this are stupid, meaningless, have no basis in data, and are strictly exercises in confirmation bias by the ignorant for the ignorant.

And yet... accurate.

If you think so, you have a problem, and you lack understanding; you are just latching onto a baseless typed list that serves your confirmation bias. The rest of us will deal with facts and useful information while you have fun with your "Ferrari is better than Porsche which is better than Maybach" flagellation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

1. You need to chill a little. You seem hyper.

2. I’m sure Hopkins has contributed some great things to the world, but they are not unique in that regard. For example, the Argonne Lab at UChicago was intimately involved in the Manhattan Project and after the war was designated as the US’s first national laboratory. It’s still part of the US Dept of Energy’s national lab system. UChicago also co-manages the Fermilab, which developed a revolutionary particle accelerator. Other major research discoveries at UChicago include the discovery of REM sleep, the calculation of the charge of an electron, etc.

My point is simply that Hopkins is not unique in its contributions to the world. I could make the same list as I did for UChicago if I looked up any number of research institutions.

Hopkins publishes more research and obtains more patents than UChicago..it isn't even debatable.....go look up the number of paper published per year by hopkins compared to Chicago.

Quantity doesn't mean quality.

https://www.leidenranking.com/ranking/2020/list

The Leiden ranking of top papers puts JHU at #7 for the number of top 10% papers in their field but #47 when it comes to the percentage of top 10% papers. It churns out 17k papers per year but is less efficient than Duke, Brandeis, NYU, or Rice at producing papers that are top 10% in their field. When it comes to the percentage of top 5% papers, the ranking is even lower at #55. For the percentage of top 1% papers, it's also #55. Every single ivy and ivy plus school (with the exception of Dartmouth and Brown) beats JHU out of the water when it comes to the quality of publications.

Percentage of total publications belonging to the top 10% of their field (all sciences)

MIT #2 24.5%
Princeton #3 23.6%
Stanford #4 22.0%
Harvard #5 21.6%
Berkeley #6 21.4%
Caltech #7 21.0%
Yale #12 18.5%
Chicago #13 18.5%
Columbia #17 18.0%
Northwestern #21 17.5%
Penn #24 17.4%
Cornell #25 17.1%
Washington University in St. Louis #28 16.8%
Rice #40 16.3%
NYU #41 16.1%
Duke #42 16.1%
Brandeis #44 15.9%
JHU #47 15.7%
Dartmouth #60 15.1%
Brown #120 13.5%