Is John Hopkins an Ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

You said they filed more patents than any other university in the US. Did you not? The list you posted has Hopkins at #7 worldwide and it would be #5 in the US.

Stop trying to make Hopkins happen. It’s not going to happen.

Uhhh no idiot. Read again......your reading comprehension sucks. No where was it said that JHU files more patents than any other institution. All was said is that JHU holds more patents than most other top institutions, which is true, idiot.

Now try reading correctly for once. It must really chap your ass that JHU produces more patentable research than harvard, yale, penn, princeton, chicago, brown, NW, duke, dartmouth, and brown.

Funny that you ignore the University of South Florida comment above.

Also, can you explain your odd, really awkward way of writing? You say “major league training.” In this post you said “all was said is.”

I assume you went to Hopkins. Apparently their writing courses aren’t terrific.

Oh yes, please continue grammar nazi.......who gives a shit about typos on mobile platform........lololol typical ahole from an ivy who probably does sentence diagrams for fun

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

You said they filed more patents than any other university in the US. Did you not? The list you posted has Hopkins at #7 worldwide and it would be #5 in the US.

Stop trying to make Hopkins happen. It’s not going to happen.

Uhhh no idiot. Read again......your reading comprehension sucks. No where was it said that JHU files more patents than any other institution. All was said is that JHU holds more patents than most other top institutions, which is true, idiot.

Now try reading correctly for once. It must really chap your ass that JHU produces more patentable research than harvard, yale, penn, princeton, chicago, brown, NW, duke, dartmouth, and brown.

Funny that you ignore the University of South Florida comment above.

Also, can you explain your odd, really awkward way of writing? You say “major league training.” In this post you said “all was said is.”

I assume you went to Hopkins. Apparently their writing courses aren’t terrific.

Oh yes, please continue grammar nazi.......who gives a shit about typos on mobile platform........lololol typical ahole from an ivy who probably does sentence diagrams for fun

I’m not referring to typos. You have a very awkward way of writing. I gave you two examples.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

This is a thread about Hopkins as an undergrad institution, so your comments about Hopkins not caring about undergrads really undermines the notion that Hopkins is a good place to go for undergrad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

This is a thread about Hopkins as an undergrad institution, so your comments about Hopkins not caring about undergrads really undermines the notion that Hopkins is a good place to go for undergrad.

Uh no.


Try reading post #1.

There's no assumption at all that this only refers to undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

This is a thread about Hopkins as an undergrad institution, so your comments about Hopkins not caring about undergrads really undermines the notion that Hopkins is a good place to go for undergrad.

Uh no.


Try reading post #1.

There's no assumption at all that this only refers to undergrads.

If you read this discussion, you’d see the posters are clearly interested in undergrad reputation.

If you want to discuss grad reputation, we can look at department rankings, which provide a more holistic view of a university than solely patents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

That's par for the course at many top universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is #2 in research expenditure, if we are going down that path.

Michigan is #1 for taking money from undergraduate tuition and applying it to fund research (institutional funds). Undergraduates subsidize research and graduate programs.

[Anonymous]

Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: HYPSM
2: Columbia, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

[Anonymous]

Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT
2: Columbia, Chicago, Caltech, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate prestige tiers:

1: HYPSM
2: Columbia, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Penn
3: Hopkins, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
4: Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UVA, UNC, Rice, Vanderbilt

This is the official list. I don’t make the rules. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Try to break it to Caltech that they are behind UVA. Tell them it was because they aren't strong enough in STEM.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....

Wait — you admit that Hopkins doesn’t really pay attention to undergrads. Why should a kid go to a place for undergrad that doesn’t give much attention to them?

Idiot, it may shock you that the world doesn't revolve around just undergrads......


There are thousands of students beyond undergrad. What public health stats are all countries using again for covid????? Harvard? Yale? Princeton? Chicago? Duke? NW? Oh wait, that's right, they're using Hopkins' stats because they're best of the best for a field like public health.

If you are a representative Hopkins graduate, I certainly would not want to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always felt the "top 3 schools" are actually about 5 schools.
The top 10 are about 15.
The top 25 are probably about 35-40 schools.

There is probably some truth in that in that no one can actually agree on what they are. USNWR is the most referenced, but they have Stanford at #6 and not top 3 for instance.

Here’s a secret that you all probably will think is crazy, but is true: The average student will have about the same average outcome going to any of the top 50 research universities, so long as they work hard and get the most out of what their university has to offer.

That’s not what this appears to show

https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-Salaries_for_Colleges_by_Type-sort.html

If you were to control by COLA differences in terms of where the grads are living, most of the salary differences will go away. That’s really what you’re seeing there more than anything else.

That’s a cute theory with no actual support.

I think PP is probably partly correct. But I'd add to that that if you control for mix of majors and male to female ratios, it would further reduce the differences.

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Anonymous wrote:NWU is a strong research uni, Brown and Dartmouth are not. Not sure why JHU booster is grouping NWU with the Ivies.

I don’t care any which way, it just feels like everyone’s arguments are all over the place.

Yet USNWR has Brown #1 for undergraduate teaching... it's about perspective, what criteria is important to the student, and of course, subjectivity. These are all great schools 99% of students would love the chance to attend. These "groupings" are ridiculous.

Yes. The groupings are ridiculous and are ultimately arbitrary.

In academia, professors go seamlessly within the schools of the Ivy League (except for Dartmouth for most disciplines, as it’s not a research university) and schools like Northwestern, UChicago, Berkeley, Michigan, and Stanford. I’ve been in a position for the fed gov’t to put together panels of academics from all of these schools. I’ve seen them work together and socialize. They clearly consider one another part of the same circles.

I have family members who are professors and have confirmed this.

Certain groupings may mean something to the general public, but for the people who actually live in this world, they mean little.

I agree with everything you said except that Dartmouth regained its R1 status.

https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2019/02/r1-mcgill

Clearly during this time period when Dartmouth was only R1 High Research Activity, it must have been a worse undergraduate institution than GMU, Florida Atlantic, Hawaii Manoa, Mississippi State, University of North Texas, West Virginia, Temple, Nevada Reno, and the many others that were R1 Highest Research Activity. It only stands to reason.