Overrated schools

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Anonymous wrote:All the non-Ivies ranked 10-20 on US News are pretty overrated e.g. Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, WashU, Hopkins. Nobody really cares about those schools. They're fine but nothing to obsess over and they churn out plenty of "meh" undergrads every year. It's not like Northwestern or Emory are lottery tickets, but that's how some lunatic tiger moms act.

This is very much true, which makes it confusing as to why so many are obsessed with these schools based on their top 20-ish ranking.

These privates are pretty much regionally prestigious at most. In the upper Midwest, Northwestern is somewhat prestigious perhaps. Outside, not many people care about it. Frankly, I feel the same way about U. Chicago, which gets a lot of undue cachet due to its recent association with Obama - who was a lecturer, not a professor.

In the lower midwest, perhaps Washington University is somewhat prestigious. Maryland for Hopkins. South/Appalachia for Vanderbilt, perhaps. Ironically Georgetown may be the most "prestigious throughout the mid-Atlantic/Northeast due to its association as a school for prep school kids who couldn't get into the Ivies.

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown, but their reputation as Ivies does carry some cachet throughout the country/world, even if unjustifiably so

These universities may have some fields that are very well known nationwide/worldwide within those in the know about the field such as academics i.e. pre-med at Hopkins, international relations and investment banking/consulting recruiting at Georgetown, Economics at U. Chicago, investment banking at Dartmouth, etc. etc.

You have typed a lot of words. Congrats on that.

Now if only they made a salient point, you would have a win.

They make the point that you tiger-moming your kid and paying $5,000 for SAT prep classes and then paying $70,000/year so your kid can live in St. Louis is not worth the money or time if they plan to live anywhere outside of the lowest Midwest

You use a pejorative and then bring in financials. I thought the discussion was about educational qualities?

The idea that Dartmouth and Brown Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Hopkins etc. have "regional" prestige is absolutely ridiculous. No better way to show your ignorance than to assume others are.

In addition, and most importantly, people should encourage their children to attend schools that will prepare them best for the lives they want. Arguing that one "brand identity" is not equal to another is is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

/and yeah I know that's not a proper contextual use of the quotation from Macbeth, my mid-40s ranked private college learn-ded me gud.

Do you lack reading comprehension? I did not say Dartmouth and Brown have 'regional prestige', I specifically said their association as Ivies gives them country-wide and world-wide recognition, earned or not.

You don't think Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt have regional prestige? You think these are nationally renowned universities across the board? Hopkins is for medical school only, and I specifically stated that its known for pre-med. Outside of that, not at all.

Keep on posting Dopey. As long as you are posting, we know you are not out rioting and looting. Nice knowing the country is safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the non-Ivies ranked 10-20 on US News are pretty overrated e.g. Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, WashU, Hopkins. Nobody really cares about those schools. They're fine but nothing to obsess over and they churn out plenty of "meh" undergrads every year. It's not like Northwestern or Emory are lottery tickets, but that's how some lunatic tiger moms act.

This is very much true, which makes it confusing as to why so many are obsessed with these schools based on their top 20-ish ranking.

These privates are pretty much regionally prestigious at most. In the upper Midwest, Northwestern is somewhat prestigious perhaps. Outside, not many people care about it. Frankly, I feel the same way about U. Chicago, which gets a lot of undue cachet due to its recent association with Obama - who was a lecturer, not a professor.

In the lower midwest, perhaps Washington University is somewhat prestigious. Maryland for Hopkins. South/Appalachia for Vanderbilt, perhaps. Ironically Georgetown may be the most "prestigious throughout the mid-Atlantic/Northeast due to its association as a school for prep school kids who couldn't get into the Ivies.

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown, but their reputation as Ivies does carry some cachet throughout the country/world, even if unjustifiably so

These universities may have some fields that are very well known nationwide/worldwide within those in the know about the field such as academics i.e. pre-med at Hopkins, international relations and investment banking/consulting recruiting at Georgetown, Economics at U. Chicago, investment banking at Dartmouth, etc. etc.

You have typed a lot of words. Congrats on that.

Now if only they made a salient point, you would have a win.

They make the point that you tiger-moming your kid and paying $5,000 for SAT prep classes and then paying $70,000/year so your kid can live in St. Louis is not worth the money or time if they plan to live anywhere outside of the lowest Midwest

You use a pejorative and then bring in financials. I thought the discussion was about educational qualities?

The idea that Dartmouth and Brown Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Hopkins etc. have "regional" prestige is absolutely ridiculous. No better way to show your ignorance than to assume others are.

In addition, and most importantly, people should encourage their children to attend schools that will prepare them best for the lives they want. Arguing that one "brand identity" is not equal to another is is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

/and yeah I know that's not a proper contextual use of the quotation from Macbeth, my mid-40s ranked private college learn-ded me gud.

Do you lack reading comprehension? I did not say Dartmouth and Brown have 'regional prestige', I specifically said their association as Ivies gives them country-wide and world-wide recognition, earned or not.

You don't think Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt have regional prestige? You think these are nationally renowned universities across the board? Hopkins is for medical school only, and I specifically stated that its known for pre-med. Outside of that, not at all.

Your words:

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown

I rest my case.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

Most college from 20-40 could replace them easily. Carnegie Mellon for example is considered a far more rigorous university by those in the know than Vanderbilt, Washington University, Northwestern, etc. and has the same amount of prestige in general and far more prestige in engineering.

Most college?

So you are saying that a majority of colleges ranked 20 to 40 are better than those ranked 10 to 20? OK, name 11.

Words have meaning.


(Not that I care. I am just pointing out typical DCUM idiocy.)

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Havard is overrated they say, who live near Boston.

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Anonymous wrote:Havard is overrated they say, who live near Boston.

It probably is.

Harvard admits future leaders of the world, not necessarily the smartest. People who attend H will be leaders - whether or not they attend Harvard.
Harvard is just good at picking leaders.

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There is a distinction between leadership and demagoguery, not that Harvard would understand it.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

The point is once you’re outside the top 10 or so, nobody really cares. Splitting hairs about 13 vs 25 vs 37 vs 41 is totally unimportant except to insecure status-obsessed strivers. 10-20 and 20-30 and ... 60-70 all offer fine opportunities. But nothing outside of the top 10 or so is a lottery ticket or IMMEDIATELY impresses the s*** out of everyone — read: it’s not signaling anything near what tiger crazies seem to think about their genetics, parenting or status. Lastly, once you’re outside of the top 10, the colleges are full of many just flat out normal kids who will work normal careers for normal money.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

The point is once you’re outside the top 10 or so, nobody really cares. Splitting hairs about 13 vs 25 vs 37 vs 41 is totally unimportant except to insecure status-obsessed strivers. 10-20 and 20-30 and ... 60-70 all offer fine opportunities. But nothing outside of the top 10 or so is a lottery ticket or IMMEDIATELY impresses the s*** out of everyone — read: it’s not signaling anything near what tiger crazies seem to think about their genetics, parenting or status. Lastly, once you’re outside of the top 10, the colleges are full of many just flat out normal kids who will work normal careers for normal money.

And 1-10 schools? Tell us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All the non-Ivies ranked 10-20 on US News are pretty overrated e.g. Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, WashU, Hopkins. Nobody really cares about those schools. They're fine but nothing to obsess over and they churn out plenty of "meh" undergrads every year. It's not like Northwestern or Emory are lottery tickets, but that's how some lunatic tiger moms act.

This is very much true, which makes it confusing as to why so many are obsessed with these schools based on their top 20-ish ranking.

These privates are pretty much regionally prestigious at most. In the upper Midwest, Northwestern is somewhat prestigious perhaps. Outside, not many people care about it. Frankly, I feel the same way about U. Chicago, which gets a lot of undue cachet due to its recent association with Obama - who was a lecturer, not a professor.

In the lower midwest, perhaps Washington University is somewhat prestigious. Maryland for Hopkins. South/Appalachia for Vanderbilt, perhaps. Ironically Georgetown may be the most "prestigious throughout the mid-Atlantic/Northeast due to its association as a school for prep school kids who couldn't get into the Ivies.

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown, but their reputation as Ivies does carry some cachet throughout the country/world, even if unjustifiably so

These universities may have some fields that are very well known nationwide/worldwide within those in the know about the field such as academics i.e. pre-med at Hopkins, international relations and investment banking/consulting recruiting at Georgetown, Economics at U. Chicago, investment banking at Dartmouth, etc. etc.

You have typed a lot of words. Congrats on that.

Now if only they made a salient point, you would have a win.

They make the point that you tiger-moming your kid and paying $5,000 for SAT prep classes and then paying $70,000/year so your kid can live in St. Louis is not worth the money or time if they plan to live anywhere outside of the lowest Midwest

You use a pejorative and then bring in financials. I thought the discussion was about educational qualities?

The idea that Dartmouth and Brown Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Hopkins etc. have "regional" prestige is absolutely ridiculous. No better way to show your ignorance than to assume others are.

In addition, and most importantly, people should encourage their children to attend schools that will prepare them best for the lives they want. Arguing that one "brand identity" is not equal to another is is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

/and yeah I know that's not a proper contextual use of the quotation from Macbeth, my mid-40s ranked private college learn-ded me gud.

Do you lack reading comprehension? I did not say Dartmouth and Brown have 'regional prestige', I specifically said their association as Ivies gives them country-wide and world-wide recognition, earned or not.

You don't think Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt have regional prestige? You think these are nationally renowned universities across the board? Hopkins is for medical school only, and I specifically stated that its known for pre-med. Outside of that, not at all.

Your words:

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown

I rest my case.

Hahaha, why don't you post the entire quote you lying hack?

This regional prestige is also true for Ivies like Dartmouth and Brown, but their reputation as Ivies does carry some cachet throughout the country/world, even if unjustifiably so

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Do you lack reading comprehension? I did not say Dartmouth and Brown have 'regional prestige', I specifically said their association as Ivies gives them country-wide and world-wide recognition, earned or not.

You don't think Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt have regional prestige? You think these are nationally renowned universities across the board? Hopkins is for medical school only, and I specifically stated that its known for pre-med. Outside of that, not at all.

Keep on posting Dopey. As long as you are posting, we know you are not out rioting and looting. Nice knowing the country is safe.

Your IQ is too low to even dare to talk about any of these colleges, top 20 or top 200.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

Most college from 20-40 could replace them easily. Carnegie Mellon for example is considered a far more rigorous university by those in the know than Vanderbilt, Washington University, Northwestern, etc. and has the same amount of prestige in general and far more prestige in engineering.

Most college?

So you are saying that a majority of colleges ranked 20 to 40 are better than those ranked 10 to 20? OK, name 11.

Words have meaning.


(Not that I care. I am just pointing out typical DCUM idiocy.)

Where did I say better? I said replaceable.

In no particular order: CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkeley, Tufts, Michigan, UCLA, UC San Diego, UNC, UVA, Case Western, Boston College. Even NYU, USC, Boston University and multiple other UC's such as Davis, Irvine and Santa Barbara could be on that list, as well as schools well outside of the top 40 such as Pepperdine and a whole host of publics.

The point of course isn't that only the top 10-20 in essence could be replaced - Northwestern is within the top 10 and I think that could easily be replaced as well. The point is the prestige drop off after Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Caltech is massive. Colleges Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown have cachet due to being in the Ivies, and Duke/Georgetown have cachet for being schools where prep school kids go to have being rejected by the Ivies.

In general, these colleges, and especially the last 4:

U. Chicago (6), Northwestern (9), Hopkins (10), Notre Dame (15, lol), Vanderbilt (15), Rice (17), Washington University (19)

are not all that impressive to the general population throughout the country. No one cares if you went to Hopkins outside of the DMV area, unless its Hopkins medical school. And literally no one cares about Notre Dame unless its about football rivalries.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

Most college from 20-40 could replace them easily. Carnegie Mellon for example is considered a far more rigorous university by those in the know than Vanderbilt, Washington University, Northwestern, etc. and has the same amount of prestige in general and far more prestige in engineering.

Most college?

So you are saying that a majority of colleges ranked 20 to 40 are better than those ranked 10 to 20? OK, name 11.

Words have meaning.


(Not that I care. I am just pointing out typical DCUM idiocy.)

Where did I say better? I said replaceable.

In no particular order: CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkeley, Tufts, Michigan, UCLA, UC San Diego, UNC, UVA, Case Western, Boston College. Even NYU, USC, Boston University and multiple other UC's such as Davis, Irvine and Santa Barbara could be on that list, as well as schools well outside of the top 40 such as Pepperdine and a whole host of publics.

The point of course isn't that only the top 10-20 in essence could be replaced - Northwestern is within the top 10 and I think that could easily be replaced as well. The point is the prestige drop off after Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Caltech is massive. Colleges Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown have cachet due to being in the Ivies, and Duke/Georgetown have cachet for being schools where prep school kids go to have being rejected by the Ivies.

In general, these colleges, and especially the last 4:

U. Chicago (6), Northwestern (9), Hopkins (10), Notre Dame (15, lol), Vanderbilt (15), Rice (17), Washington University (19)

are not all that impressive to the general population throughout the country. No one cares if you went to Hopkins outside of the DMV area, unless its Hopkins medical school. And literally no one cares about Notre Dame unless its about football rivalries.

Caltech isn't in a category with HYPSM no matter how many times you try to list them together. If insulting Chicago et al. makes you feel better about that, enjoy.

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As someone who went to one of the "top five" for grad school, I would have to say they are all replaceable for undergrad. God I loved flunking out all those wannabe pre-meds as a TA for Introductory Chemistry. For all the difficulty getting into this school, the freshmen didn't seem that bright to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if colleges ranked 10 to 20 are overrated, with what would you replace them? You know, there are these things called cardinal numbers. If you can't think of any to replace them, how could they possibly be overrated?

Most college from 20-40 could replace them easily. Carnegie Mellon for example is considered a far more rigorous university by those in the know than Vanderbilt, Washington University, Northwestern, etc. and has the same amount of prestige in general and far more prestige in engineering.

Most college?

So you are saying that a majority of colleges ranked 20 to 40 are better than those ranked 10 to 20? OK, name 11.

Words have meaning.


(Not that I care. I am just pointing out typical DCUM idiocy.)

Where did I say better? I said replaceable.

In no particular order: CMU, Georgia Tech, Berkeley, Tufts, Michigan, UCLA, UC San Diego, UNC, UVA, Case Western, Boston College. Even NYU, USC, Boston University and multiple other UC's such as Davis, Irvine and Santa Barbara could be on that list, as well as schools well outside of the top 40 such as Pepperdine and a whole host of publics.

The point of course isn't that only the top 10-20 in essence could be replaced - Northwestern is within the top 10 and I think that could easily be replaced as well. The point is the prestige drop off after Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, Caltech is massive. Colleges Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown have cachet due to being in the Ivies, and Duke/Georgetown have cachet for being schools where prep school kids go to have being rejected by the Ivies.

In general, these colleges, and especially the last 4:

U. Chicago (6), Northwestern (9), Hopkins (10), Notre Dame (15, lol), Vanderbilt (15), Rice (17), Washington University (19)

are not all that impressive to the general population throughout the country. No one cares if you went to Hopkins outside of the DMV area, unless its Hopkins medical school. And literally no one cares about Notre Dame unless its about football rivalries.

Hey Dumpy, do you know where “ivies” as in “Ivy League” came from? It’s short for “IV,” roman numeral 4. IV League. Ergo, Ivy League refers to the original 4 league members - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. The list doesn’t include CalTech. That’s a regional tech institute Californians often confuse with Cal Poly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Havard is overrated they say, who live near Boston.

It probably is.

Harvard admits future leaders of the world, not necessarily the smartest. People who attend H will be leaders - whether or not they attend Harvard.
Harvard is just good at picking leaders.

H shit! And H stands for Holy. That thinking and saying itself indicates Havard is Way Way Overrated, say who live near Boston.