St Albans for black students

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WaPo has an article on Black students experiences in private schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/now-that-private-schools-know-what-its-like-being-black-on-their-campuses-will-they-do-what-they-ask-of-their-students--learn-and-do-better/2020/07/01/b9f2de2a-bbca-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

The link for GDS is https://www.instagram.com/blackatgds/
Any for St Albans ?

STA has numerous positions where students elect the leaders: councils/prefects, athletic teams, vestry. Black representation over the last 20 years for that is a good indicator especially on prefect. When I had a kid at STA AA students had a range from wealthy on down just like everyone else.

I was thinking the same. Why doesn’t Saint Albans have a paige? It concerns me that black boys and men who have attended Saint Albans are silent on the issue. Even National Cathedral has a paige.

What concerns me is That it seems sta students and alumni don’t feel free to speak out. There are stories everywhere, at every school. No way sta (or anywhere) is immune. But at other schools, there seems to be room for people to speak out, as evidenced by the Instagram pages. The faculty and administration seem to be doing all the right things, but the fact that there is no page for STA makes me worry that students or alumni fear being rejected by their peers or their alumni network if they say anything.

When you’re a teenager, it’s hard to be accepted. Even harder if you’re a minority. So I wouldn’t blame any student for staying silent if it meant losing his friends. I do, however, find it very, very troubling that the culture At sta might be such that those students would be right to worry—that they would lose friends if they spoke out.

Or if there’s something about all boys’ schools that promotes silence. Troubling either way. .

Or a bunch of teenage boys don't regularly read a messageboard for moms.

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WaPo has an article on Black students experiences in private schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/now-that-private-schools-know-what-its-like-being-black-on-their-campuses-will-they-do-what-they-ask-of-their-students--learn-and-do-better/2020/07/01/b9f2de2a-bbca-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

The link for GDS is https://www.instagram.com/blackatgds/
Any for St Albans ?

STA has numerous positions where students elect the leaders: councils/prefects, athletic teams, vestry. Black representation over the last 20 years for that is a good indicator especially on prefect. When I had a kid at STA AA students had a range from wealthy on down just like everyone else.

I was thinking the same. Why doesn’t Saint Albans have a paige? It concerns me that black boys and men who have attended Saint Albans are silent on the issue. Even National Cathedral has a paige.

What concerns me is That it seems sta students and alumni don’t feel free to speak out. There are stories everywhere, at every school. No way sta (or anywhere) is immune. But at other schools, there seems to be room for people to speak out, as evidenced by the Instagram pages. The faculty and administration seem to be doing all the right things, but the fact that there is no page for STA makes me worry that students or alumni fear being rejected by their peers or their alumni network if they say anything.

When you’re a teenager, it’s hard to be accepted. Even harder if you’re a minority. So I wouldn’t blame any student for staying silent if it meant losing his friends. I do, however, find it very, very troubling that the culture At sta might be such that those students would be right to worry—that they would lose friends if they spoke out.

Or if there’s something about all boys’ schools that promotes silence. Troubling either way. .

Or a bunch of teenage boys don't regularly read a messageboard for moms.

NP: PP isn't talking about dcum. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WaPo has an article on Black students experiences in private schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/now-that-private-schools-know-what-its-like-being-black-on-their-campuses-will-they-do-what-they-ask-of-their-students--learn-and-do-better/2020/07/01/b9f2de2a-bbca-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

The link for GDS is https://www.instagram.com/blackatgds/
Any for St Albans ?

STA has numerous positions where students elect the leaders: councils/prefects, athletic teams, vestry. Black representation over the last 20 years for that is a good indicator especially on prefect. When I had a kid at STA AA students had a range from wealthy on down just like everyone else.

I was thinking the same. Why doesn’t Saint Albans have a paige? It concerns me that black boys and men who have attended Saint Albans are silent on the issue. Even National Cathedral has a paige.

What concerns me is That it seems sta students and alumni don’t feel free to speak out. There are stories everywhere, at every school. No way sta (or anywhere) is immune. But at other schools, there seems to be room for people to speak out, as evidenced by the Instagram pages. The faculty and administration seem to be doing all the right things, but the fact that there is no page for STA makes me worry that students or alumni fear being rejected by their peers or their alumni network if they say anything.

When you’re a teenager, it’s hard to be accepted. Even harder if you’re a minority. So I wouldn’t blame any student for staying silent if it meant losing his friends. I do, however, find it very, very troubling that the culture At sta might be such that those students would be right to worry—that they would lose friends if they spoke out.

NP. The silence is not encouraged from the STA administration or faculty that’s for sure. I don’t know why there is silence? I can say that the silence in the community both by boys and parents a few years ago when a horrific anti-Semitic/AA incident happened targeting current Jewish students and one AA teacher still weighs heavy on some hearts. It was never addressed to the community at large and just bits of what happened were talked about causing some Jewish families and AA families to feel uncomfortable. Some left that next year. The two boys were expelled but the boys in the grade were upset they were expelled and supported the perpetrators more than they supported the victims, in addition to another anti-Semitic incident around the same time within that year. We are not Jewish and tried to support our Jewish friends as much as we could but it was pretty shocking and the silence and lack of support was even more shocking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WaPo has an article on Black students experiences in private schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/now-that-private-schools-know-what-its-like-being-black-on-their-campuses-will-they-do-what-they-ask-of-their-students--learn-and-do-better/2020/07/01/b9f2de2a-bbca-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

The link for GDS is https://www.instagram.com/blackatgds/
Any for St Albans ?

STA has numerous positions where students elect the leaders: councils/prefects, athletic teams, vestry. Black representation over the last 20 years for that is a good indicator especially on prefect. When I had a kid at STA AA students had a range from wealthy on down just like everyone else.

I was thinking the same. Why doesn’t Saint Albans have a paige? It concerns me that black boys and men who have attended Saint Albans are silent on the issue. Even National Cathedral has a paige.

What concerns me is That it seems sta students and alumni don’t feel free to speak out. There are stories everywhere, at every school. No way sta (or anywhere) is immune. But at other schools, there seems to be room for people to speak out, as evidenced by the Instagram pages. The faculty and administration seem to be doing all the right things, but the fact that there is no page for STA makes me worry that students or alumni fear being rejected by their peers or their alumni network if they say anything.

When you’re a teenager, it’s hard to be accepted. Even harder if you’re a minority. So I wouldn’t blame any student for staying silent if it meant losing his friends. I do, however, find it very, very troubling that the culture At sta might be such that those students would be right to worry—that they would lose friends if they spoke out.

NP. The silence is not encouraged from the STA administration or faculty that’s for sure. I don’t know why there is silence? I can say that the silence in the community both by boys and parents a few years ago when a horrific anti-Semitic/AA incident happened targeting current Jewish students and one AA teacher still weighs heavy on some hearts. It was never addressed to the community at large and just bits of what happened were talked about causing some Jewish families and AA families to feel uncomfortable. Some left that next year. The two boys were expelled but the boys in the grade were upset they were expelled and supported the perpetrators more than they supported the victims, in addition to another anti-Semitic incident around the same time within that year. We are not Jewish and tried to support our Jewish friends as much as we could but it was pretty shocking and the silence and lack of support was even more shocking.

I believe you that it's not the faculty and administration (and everyone we know in those positions there supports that). So it's the families? The culture? The culture those families create? How terribly sad, l especially since the Episcopal Church is one of the most welcoming places I've ever found--and not a place where you feel like you can't speak.

(AA Episcopalian in DC but kid at different big 3).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

WaPo has an article on Black students experiences in private schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/now-that-private-schools-know-what-its-like-being-black-on-their-campuses-will-they-do-what-they-ask-of-their-students--learn-and-do-better/2020/07/01/b9f2de2a-bbca-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

The link for GDS is https://www.instagram.com/blackatgds/
Any for St Albans ?

STA has numerous positions where students elect the leaders: councils/prefects, athletic teams, vestry. Black representation over the last 20 years for that is a good indicator especially on prefect. When I had a kid at STA AA students had a range from wealthy on down just like everyone else.

Had boy at STA for 8 years and a girl at a coed school. STA just flat out had way fewer issues. They try to find something special about every boy and the structure is much more around doing than reflecting. Besides the basics the reading lists are totally different. A lot of book my daughter read were depressing or about oppression. A lot of book my son read were about adventure, war and typical classics. I do not know about the other schools but STA kept them very busy at school 8-6 and hours of homework. Disputes were often solved by friendly competition and all of the boys are taught to lose from the very first day they arrive at the school. There are prizes, winners and losers for everything starting in fourth grade, by class, by subject and by grade academic and for sports.

It was most definitely not fair all the time. Some kids were favored. But by High school there was a huge amount of transparency so as a black family your kid knew what they had to do to get an A. Test were often gone over in class so your kid knew what they got wrong and why. If you kid got good great grades they were encouraged to apply to top colleges and since they had been opening competing for prizes since fourth grade and parents had attended the prize day ceremony (its like 5 hours for the lower school and 5 hour for the upper school) you already knew how your kid was doing. If your kid is not winning any sports awards they probably wont be a recruited athlete. If they are not winning any academic awards or scoring high on national tests they probably are not going ivy. If they are not in the top level of classes which is very clear to everyone they are not going ivy. From a parent perspective it was very low maintenance.

The admin was also excellent and listen to parents when there was any kind of issue. Its a church school so generally people are nice. Nasty or mean teachers seem not to be there the next year. Overall I would have to say most of the boys felt loved ... the co-ed school was confusing, Each teacher had a different standard and it was unclear how opportunities and grades were given out. There was a tremendous overpowering felling of otherness and constantly reading about oppression and identity made it a daily topic. The Coed school's page if full of post and the graduates describe high school as a struggle.

I was thinking the same. Why doesn’t Saint Albans have a paige? It concerns me that black boys and men who have attended Saint Albans are silent on the issue. Even National Cathedral has a paige.

Not only is Saint Albans missing, Landon doesn’t have a page, Gonzaga, Georgetown Prep, nor Saint Anselms has a page. I’ve seen all boys schools from other areas. Why are the students at the local boys schools silent?

IG is for girls, PP. You didn't know that? I'm not at all surprised - no self-respecting boys' school student would ever start something like this on "Insta."

Not true. Plenty of boys and masculine men sharing about this topic on Instagram and other all boys schools have pages. Woodberry Forest is one example.
Are the boys at the local schools afraid? Are they forcing black boys to be submissive to White Supremacy at the local all boys schools? What is going on?

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Had boy at STA for 8 years and a girl at a coed school. STA just flat out had way fewer issues. They try to find something special about every boy and the structure is much more around doing than reflecting. Besides the basics the reading lists are totally different. A lot of book my daughter read were depressing or about oppression. A lot of book my son read were about adventure, war and typical classics. I do not know about the other schools but STA kept them very busy at school 8-6 and hours of homework. Disputes were often solved by friendly competition and all of the boys are taught to lose from the very first day they arrive at the school. There are prizes, winners and losers for everything starting in fourth grade, by class, by subject and by grade academic and for sports.

It was most definitely not fair all the time. Some kids were favored. But by High school there was a huge amount of transparency so as a black family your kid knew what they had to do to get an A. Test were often gone over in class so your kid knew what they got wrong and why. If you kid got good great grades they were encouraged to apply to top colleges and since they had been opening competing for prizes since fourth grade and parents had attended the prize day ceremony (its like 5 hours for the lower school and 5 hour for the upper school) you already knew how your kid was doing. If your kid is not winning any sports awards they probably wont be a recruited athlete. If they are not winning any academic awards or scoring high on national tests they probably are not going ivy. If they are not in the top level of classes which is very clear to everyone they are not going ivy. From a parent perspective it was very low maintenance.

The admin was also excellent and listen to parents when there was any kind of issue. Its a church school so generally people are nice. Nasty or mean teachers seem not to be there the next year. Overall I would have to say most of the boys felt loved ... the co-ed school was confusing, Each teacher had a different standard and it was unclear how opportunities and grades were given out. There was a tremendous overpowering felling of otherness and constantly reading about oppression and identity made it a daily topic. The Coed school's page if full of post and the graduates describe high school as a struggle.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of these schools have taken significant steps to recruit, admit, and retain black students who would not otherwise have the opportunity to attend. Such efforts concerning black students are substantially greater than they are for low-income Latino students.

There is no competition with Latino students and Latino families and I wish them much success, however many of them don’t suffer anti black racism. Their struggle is different than black descendants of slaves who built this country. Who were slaves for over 400 years where men, women and children were raped, killed, starved, forced to work for free. Put in concentration camps. Then after slavery had entire communities wiped out such as in Elaine, Rosewood, Tulsa, Wilmington and more. Blacks are still being mistreated based on the fact that they have darker skin.
It’s nice that they may allow us to go their schools, but not if we have to continue to be mistreated as we have been the last 500 years.

Ma'am with all due respect, you have truly lost you mind. Get help. Really.

You must not be black, Pp. Yes, people see color and treat you differently because of your dark skin. Your black kids might make it into their fancy schools, but the blackatrancyprivateschool IG account make it clear they are not truly welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of these schools have taken significant steps to recruit, admit, and retain black students who would not otherwise have the opportunity to attend. Such efforts concerning black students are substantially greater than they are for low-income Latino students.

There is no competition with Latino students and Latino families and I wish them much success, however many of them don’t suffer anti black racism. Their struggle is different than black descendants of slaves who built this country. Who were slaves for over 400 years where men, women and children were raped, killed, starved, forced to work for free. Put in concentration camps. Then after slavery had entire communities wiped out such as in Elaine, Rosewood, Tulsa, Wilmington and more. Blacks are still being mistreated based on the fact that they have darker skin.
It’s nice that they may allow us to go their schools, but not if we have to continue to be mistreated as we have been the last 500 years.

Ma'am with all due respect, you have truly lost you mind. Get help. Really.

You must not be black, Pp. Yes, people see color and treat you differently because of your dark skin. Your black kids might make it into their fancy schools, but the blackatrancyprivateschool IG account make it clear they are not truly welcome.

Let's factor in that those with positive experiences may not be posting.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of these schools have taken significant steps to recruit, admit, and retain black students who would not otherwise have the opportunity to attend. Such efforts concerning black students are substantially greater than they are for low-income Latino students.

There is no competition with Latino students and Latino families and I wish them much success, however many of them don’t suffer anti black racism. Their struggle is different than black descendants of slaves who built this country. Who were slaves for over 400 years where men, women and children were raped, killed, starved, forced to work for free. Put in concentration camps. Then after slavery had entire communities wiped out such as in Elaine, Rosewood, Tulsa, Wilmington and more. Blacks are still being mistreated based on the fact that they have darker skin.
It’s nice that they may allow us to go their schools, but not if we have to continue to be mistreated as we have been the last 500 years.

Ma'am with all due respect, you have truly lost you mind. Get help. Really.

You must not be black, Pp. Yes, people see color and treat you differently because of your dark skin. Your black kids might make it into their fancy schools, but the blackatrancyprivateschool IG account make it clear they are not truly welcome.

Let's factor in that those with positive experiences may not be posting.

Let’s commit the resources so that there are no more negative experiences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of these schools have taken significant steps to recruit, admit, and retain black students who would not otherwise have the opportunity to attend. Such efforts concerning black students are substantially greater than they are for low-income Latino students.

There is no competition with Latino students and Latino families and I wish them much success, however many of them don’t suffer anti black racism. Their struggle is different than black descendants of slaves who built this country. Who were slaves for over 400 years where men, women and children were raped, killed, starved, forced to work for free. Put in concentration camps. Then after slavery had entire communities wiped out such as in Elaine, Rosewood, Tulsa, Wilmington and more. Blacks are still being mistreated based on the fact that they have darker skin.
It’s nice that they may allow us to go their schools, but not if we have to continue to be mistreated as we have been the last 500 years.

Ma'am with all due respect, you have truly lost you mind. Get help. Really.

You must not be black, Pp. Yes, people see color and treat you differently because of your dark skin. Your black kids might make it into their fancy schools, but the blackatrancyprivateschool IG account make it clear they are not truly welcome.

Let's factor in that those with positive experiences may not be posting.

Let’s commit the resources so that there are no more negative experiences.

We’ve heard of multiple negative experiences and historically Saint Albans, Georgetown Prep, and Landon have all had racist reputations. The fact that they are silent makes me think the black men that came out of those schools “don’t want’s to make no trouble”.

its actually the reverse. The Co-ed liberal schools added a non disparagement clause to the annual contract. Those kids can get kicked out. STA as far as I know has no such clause. Its also a church school and attempts to have the boys gain a moral code. In general rules were enforced and you understood why any kid got in trouble, At the liberal school you never knew what was going on and what the standard was and almost always felt shaded.
a black mom

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of these schools have taken significant steps to recruit, admit, and retain black students who would not otherwise have the opportunity to attend. Such efforts concerning black students are substantially greater than they are for low-income Latino students.

There is no competition with Latino students and Latino families and I wish them much success, however many of them don’t suffer anti black racism. Their struggle is different than black descendants of slaves who built this country. Who were slaves for over 400 years where men, women and children were raped, killed, starved, forced to work for free. Put in concentration camps. Then after slavery had entire communities wiped out such as in Elaine, Rosewood, Tulsa, Wilmington and more. Blacks are still being mistreated based on the fact that they have darker skin.
It’s nice that they may allow us to go their schools, but not if we have to continue to be mistreated as we have been the last 500 years.

Ma'am with all due respect, you have truly lost you mind. Get help. Really.

You must not be black, Pp. Yes, people see color and treat you differently because of your dark skin. Your black kids might make it into their fancy schools, but the blackatrancyprivateschool IG account make it clear they are not truly welcome.

Let's factor in that those with positive experiences may not be posting.

Let’s commit the resources so that there are no more negative experiences.

We’ve heard of multiple negative experiences and historically Saint Albans, Georgetown Prep, and Landon have all had racist reputations. The fact that they are silent makes me think the black men that came out of those schools “don’t want’s to make no trouble”.

Could be.

Or, could be you are the closet racist.

your comment sounds more racist to me.

[Anonymous]

It’s a good place for black boys as long as they are willing to “go along to get along”

[Anonymous]

The culture at STA has been that everyone is an STA boy, hence the historical resistance to clubs based on race.

Boys are encouraged to speak up if they see anything that they believe to be wrong.

It takes a lot of courage to speak up about racism, because it has not always been handled well when someone has spoken up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The culture at STA has been that everyone is an STA boy, hence the historical resistance to clubs based on race.

Boys are encouraged to speak up if they see anything that they believe to be wrong.

It takes a lot of courage to speak up about racism, because it has not always been handled well when someone has spoken up.

Isn't that they same view as "I don't see color"? Sounds full of white privilege and a rather racist philosophy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The culture at STA has been that everyone is an STA boy, hence the historical resistance to clubs based on race.

Boys are encouraged to speak up if they see anything that they believe to be wrong.

It takes a lot of courage to speak up about racism, because it has not always been handled well when someone has spoken up.

Isn't that they same view as "I don't see color"? Sounds full of white privilege and a rather racist philosophy.

People who say they don't see color mean that they appreciate people of different heritages and try their best to not be prejudiced. That may be privileged, that they are not on guard all the time. It's not racist. What would you prefer they do...see color and...? Please complete the sentence. You want everyone to "see color" and...?