St Albans for black students

[Anonymous]

I’ll probably get my post deleted for this, but sta would be much better off culturally if they severely curtailed the number of ccc families. Some are very nice. Some even stay nice. But there’s something about the place—it’s like they become conditioned to treat others poorly, look down on anyone who is not a member, and practice exclusion by default.

My parents are members. Even they have said they don’t like what it is now. I know of what I speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll probably get my post deleted for this, but sta would be much better off culturally if they severely curtailed the number of ccc families. Some are very nice. Some even stay nice. But there’s something about the place—it’s like they become conditioned to treat others poorly, look down on anyone who is not a member, and practice exclusion by default.

My parents are members. Even they have said they don’t like what it is now. I know of what I speak.

You may, but seems like a really slippery slope (and unfeasible frankly) to 'curtail' people based on memberships. Where do you draw the line?. I also think we should try to remember that parents and their kids are not always identical spores. Why not chase up a different tree. I'm sure there are other ways to make St. Albans better for black students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll probably get my post deleted for this, but sta would be much better off culturally if they severely curtailed the number of ccc families. Some are very nice. Some even stay nice. But there’s something about the place—it’s like they become conditioned to treat others poorly, look down on anyone who is not a member, and practice exclusion by default.

My parents are members. Even they have said they don’t like what it is now. I know of what I speak.

You may, but seems like a really slippery slope (and unfeasible frankly) to 'curtail' people based on memberships. Where do you draw the line?. I also think we should try to remember that parents and their kids are not always identical spores. Why not chase up a different tree. I'm sure there are other ways to make St. Albans better for black students.

There are many ways to make it better. Admitting more diverse facilities would help. Ccc doesn’t have diversity. Admitting more diverse families would naturally mean less room for ccc board members or whomever to bring in all their golfing buddies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll probably get my post deleted for this, but sta would be much better off culturally if they severely curtailed the number of ccc families. Some are very nice. Some even stay nice. But there’s something about the place—it’s like they become conditioned to treat others poorly, look down on anyone who is not a member, and practice exclusion by default.

My parents are members. Even they have said they don’t like what it is now. I know of what I speak.

You may, but seems like a really slippery slope (and unfeasible frankly) to 'curtail' people based on memberships. Where do you draw the line?. I also think we should try to remember that parents and their kids are not always identical spores. Why not chase up a different tree. I'm sure there are other ways to make St. Albans better for black students.

There are many ways to make it better. Admitting more diverse facilities would help. Ccc doesn’t have diversity. Admitting more diverse families would naturally mean less room for ccc board members or whomever to bring in all their golfing buddies.

*families not facilities sorry. All thumbs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll probably get my post deleted for this, but sta would be much better off culturally if they severely curtailed the number of ccc families. Some are very nice. Some even stay nice. But there’s something about the place—it’s like they become conditioned to treat others poorly, look down on anyone who is not a member, and practice exclusion by default.

My parents are members. Even they have said they don’t like what it is now. I know of what I speak.

You may, but seems like a really slippery slope (and unfeasible frankly) to 'curtail' people based on memberships. Where do you draw the line?. I also think we should try to remember that parents and their kids are not always identical spores. Why not chase up a different tree. I'm sure there are other ways to make St. Albans better for black students.

NP. I agree with PP. CCC seems nastier than most clubs. It lacks diversity by CHOICE that’s the problem. It is still harder to get in there as an AA or Jewish family than a white Christian family because they still allow blackballing but they do it in creative ways. If you want to change your community then you have to CHANGE your community. It is simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Just when I had hope for STA I see the governing board is still the same old same old - Chevy Members or conservative or both with the exception of a few. Sigh.

So? It's their school. They can have whomever they want on the governing board.

1) Whose school is it?
2) The composition of board is telling of the school leadership’s priorities.

Ask yourself, is STA worth $50k with all the race/social headaches for your black son? The STA have had years to figure out diversity. THEY CHOSE NOT TO. How many black male faculty does STA have? Any leading a department? Our supporters cannot only be coaches and kind gent at the front desk.

Additionally, is it worth being in a community that isn’t open to you? The parents will say they want diversity, but will they allow their kids to have a play date at your house? Will they explore professional relationships/opportunities with you? Will they invite you to CCC? If not, choose a community that’s more welcoming. From my STA experience - the school, price tag, and community misses the mark. Don’t fall for the we will make the numbers work. BS. Get everything in writing first.

For my black son the answer to all of the above is yes. We were difinately part of the community and still are... he still hangs with STA boys daily and he is out of college. All of the boys went to one another’s house and he has been the Chevy for parties, dances, golf and lunch countless times. We are friends with the parents too. We had a very positive experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Just when I had hope for STA I see the governing board is still the same old same old - Chevy Members or conservative or both with the exception of a few. Sigh.

So? It's their school. They can have whomever they want on the governing board.

1) Whose school is it?
2) The composition of board is telling of the school leadership’s priorities.

Ask yourself, is STA worth $50k with all the race/social headaches for your black son? The STA have had years to figure out diversity. THEY CHOSE NOT TO. How many black male faculty does STA have? Any leading a department? Our supporters cannot only be coaches and kind gent at the front desk.

Additionally, is it worth being in a community that isn’t open to you? The parents will say they want diversity, but will they allow their kids to have a play date at your house? Will they explore professional relationships/opportunities with you? Will they invite you to CCC? If not, choose a community that’s more welcoming. From my STA experience - the school, price tag, and community misses the mark. Don’t fall for the we will make the numbers work. BS. Get everything in writing first.

Did you live in the district? Some parents do not like driving far so if you live far away you may have fewer visitors DC kids definitely get more play dates.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Just when I had hope for STA I see the governing board is still the same old same old - Chevy Members or conservative or both with the exception of a few. Sigh.

So? It's their school. They can have whomever they want on the governing board.

1) Whose school is it?
2) The composition of board is telling of the school leadership’s priorities.

Ask yourself, is STA worth $50k with all the race/social headaches for your black son? The STA have had years to figure out diversity. THEY CHOSE NOT TO. How many black male faculty does STA have? Any leading a department? Our supporters cannot only be coaches and kind gent at the front desk.

Additionally, is it worth being in a community that isn’t open to you? The parents will say they want diversity, but will they allow their kids to have a play date at your house? Will they explore professional relationships/opportunities with you? Will they invite you to CCC? If not, choose a community that’s more welcoming. From my STA experience - the school, price tag, and community misses the mark. Don’t fall for the we will make the numbers work. BS. Get everything in writing first.

Yep. There are more diverse leaders at STA than other Big 3 schools. Plus unlike most Big 3 schools Black boys don’t get kicked out senior year... fairly common at the coed schools. When it happens it’s devastating for the family and the class.

So I don't care for STA. But based on your post and comment about POC's leading a department, I went and took a look. Right off the bat there is a POC as a department chair. And numerous women in leadership roles. Really should check these things out before you post BS.

[Anonymous]

The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

This. CCC is a ridiculous little enclave but is not to blame for everything wrong at STA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

Such as?

And even if ccc isn’t causative, how is it not perpetuating/representing the problems you’re likely going to identify? (Either way, please say more about the problems so those of us with diverse sons can make more informed choices).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

This. CCC is a ridiculous little enclave but is not to blame for everything wrong at STA.

Maybe not EVERYTHING. But not nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

This. CCC is a ridiculous little enclave but is not to blame for everything wrong at STA.

CCC members are disproportionately represented on the board. The problem with the club is that it still excludes people of Color and Jews. As long as STA has people who belong to a racist, anti-Semitic club on their board, all their statements about being committed to diversity will remain hollow.

You have no idea why people have been denied admission to the club. They are not transparent.

I’ve aso seen groups of CCC moms behaving in a rude, exclusionary manner toward other parents. They are cliquey.

Ironically, most are strivers, not genuinely wealthy. A number are legacy members, i.e, members because their parents were members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CCC hate is totally exaggerated. I know tons of perfectly lovely, kind, and inclusive families who belong. I am sorry if you have had a different experience, but please do not generalize to all CCC members. I also do not think STA's problems can be blamed on one club's membership. Not that many STA families are members, it's a fairly small percentage, and a number of STA families who have tried to gain admission have been denied for various reasons (and not because of their race or religion). Please stop making gross generalizations or shifting the blame to a small percentage of the population because they belong to a club. STA has bigger cultural and systemic problems that date back decades and a country club can not be blamed for that.

NP. I do not know the impact of clubs but I must correct you because you are incorrect in saying a small percentage are CCC members. Some classes actually have quite a large percentage of CCC members. For instance, last year’s 8th grade class had about 25% CCC members. They admit about 20-25 new students for 9th so I am sure that will dilute it but that is quite a large percentage.

[Anonymous]

So what about the other 75%? Seems like the large majority should set the tone for the class, unless there are other issues unrelated to the minority of CCC members.