Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

[Anonymous]

What is frustrating to me is this judge could end up on scotus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

This is very well put. Nothing whatsoever is implausible about Dr. Ford’s story or testimony. GOPers have their heads in the sand.

And, I have an issue with people here, and in the media, relating THEIR personal experiences to confirm, or deny, Dr. Ford’s account.
We have read it here repeatedly - each incident is different. Just because one person has specific memories, does not mean another person does.

And Dr Ford has testified in detail that she does have specific memories. People are relating their personal experiences in reaction to claims that she isn’t telling the truth because her friend doesn’t remember that day, or that Ford doesn’t remember the car ride home, etc. Those things aren’t strange, and people are pointing that out. Sorry you have an issue with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

[Anonymous]

Just believe the woman. She had no motive to come out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. With this GOP running FBI, we won't get any closer to the truth re the Ford incident.
2. #1 doesn't matter vizaviz nomination, bc hes already non-confirmable, bc clearly has lied many times.
3. #2 doesn't matter bc politicians don't understand why lying is a big problem bc politicians lie almost as much as they breathe, especially these days.

Got it? OK. Go enjoy the weather.

+1. He's as good as confirmed. This is all for show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just believe the woman. She had no motive to come out.

One motive. Inability to tolerate this person having power over her and her family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I am sorry that happened to you.

I think the GOP doubling down on this guy is going to ultimately damage them greatly. There is no doubt that they will be on the wrong side of history.

It wasn't that long ago that women were SPANKED by their husband. That women could not vote. The #metoo movement isn't going to have a backlash - it is going to roar on with even more steam if he gets a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

Men also tolerate lots of crap. If BK's assault had been on a teen boy, we would probably now be hearing from him

[Anonymous]

People say there is no need to be a feminist now. This is exactly why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just believe the woman. She had no motive to come out.

One motive. Inability to tolerate this person having power over her and her family.

Doesn't sound like a good motive.

What's his motive for lying? To get on Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

Men also tolerate lots of crap. If BK's assault had been on a teen boy, we would probably now be hearing from him

Yes, 1 in 6 boys and men are sexually assaulted. This isn't about women, this about victims speaking up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

Men also tolerate lots of crap. If BK's assault had been on a teen boy, we would probably now be hearing from him

Only because Kav is a republican appointment.

If he were a lib appointee picked by a dem, the media would all seek restraining orders to keep any accusers from trying to tell their story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about how here therapist's notes say she was assaulted in her late teens, not 15 as she claims now?

If you don't believe her you don't. There will never be proof like so so many sexual assaults. Millions believe her and millions don't.

The problem I have is the line that “We believe her because women are to believed.”

This is such a bunch of crap. I am a woman and this kind of thinking simply undermines the cases where a woman is actually assaulted. There are ample very public cases where a woman should not be believed. But, as long as we go about believing every woman who makes a claim of sexual assault or rape, the real assaults become harder to prosecute.

Ample? I can think of two. Contrasted with how many hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults do you suppose happen in a year?

Part of the reason that the default is to believe the woman is because for SO MANY PEOPLE even when women do everything according to your preferred schedule, they still aren’t believed. The ongoing smearing of Dr. Ford is another good example of how victims are treated. You don’t think she was assaulted. You may not be one of the people who has otherwise besmirched her, but she’s been called a liar, she’s been blamed for wearing a suit, for drinking a beer (and some say she was lying and was completely drunk), she’s been called a Democratic operative.... if you want victims to come forward, you need to believe them when they do come forward. It may be inconvenient for your politics, but she is believable.

(So is he - as an angry, entitled man who would have no problem raping someone if he wanted to).

There are MANY examples of false allegations. Start with all those on college campuses where women have screamed “Rape!” when in fact, the sex was consensual. Begin with the infamous “Mattress girl.” There are dozens of others. Then we have UVA and Duke Lacrosse.

Here are just a few others on the first page of a google search. And, these are searches for “rape.” You can be assured that those claiming sexual assault are even greater.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-connecticut-false-rape-20180603-story.html
https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/woman-made-up-rape-claim-because-date-wouldnt-drive-her-home-cops/
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/trending/woman-who-falsely-accused-dps-trooper-of-rape-won-t-face-additional-charges