The point is, even with alll things being equal with SES, there is usually a large gap with white and black in DC. There is no gap at Ross. To PP, this is not an anomaly, Ross is usually this way. Stoddert and Eaton do pretty well also. |
Yup everything goes back to SES levels if I was black I wouldn't want to be a super minority so there is some value in all these posts. Again to me KIPP and Ketcham are the real stories with scores way above expected based on SES /at-risk levels. And finally if you are high SES/typical DCUM person your kid is going to most likely be successful whatever school they go to period. |
Source? I’ve heard of a small gap at nationwide as you’ve described, but never knew this had been examined before in DC. |
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yes DC has a huge achievement gap. Discussed at length in the Post story on PARCC (this year and every year before it), discussed by all the officials at the news conference releasing the results.
City-wide proficiency All students / all grades - 33 ELA/29 Math Asian 72/70 Black 25/21 Hisp/Latino 32/28 White 82/79 API/native Hawaiian 52/35 2 or more races 66/62 You can see the racial breakdown for every school in the city with more than 10 students in any given subgroup at results.osse.dc.gov Scroll down the page |
Sure, but a PP said there is a large gap in scores “all things being equal with SES,” which is impossible to know because there are vast SES differences between white and black students in DC, and we don’t know the SES of any particular black families from the data we have. |
We don’t. But we know a few things - 68.8 students in District public schools (DCPS and charters) are black, 18% Latinx, 10% white. 80% are economically disadvantaged, 10% are ELLs, 15% have disabilities requiring special education. Personally I am far more concerned with what is working for kids who are at risk and economically disadvantaged than what is working for high SES students (of any race) because there are so many more high need kids. |
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https://empowerk12.org/bold-improvement-schools The whole website is great including a much better way to view PARCC data visually |
I can see your point but public schools should meet the needs of all kids and if they do not then don't get mad when they do not want to stay in public schools and say attend charter schools, private schools, or homeschool. |
You don't need a source. You can look at individual schools with near-nonexistent FARM levels and compare those schools black and white performance. Example: Janney 7 low income students (1%) 36 AA students (5%) White performance Math 89% Black performance Math 38% White ELA 83% Black ELA 55% Janney's test scores are higher for their SPED (42/42%) and ELL (56/69%) than their black students (80% of which are non low income - this is a silly assumption that all 7 of their low income students are AA). |
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Looking at schools with very low FARMS levels is not the same thing as *controlling* for SES. Even if they’renot FARMs I would bet you money that those AA kids are not nearly as affluent as the average white kids at Janney—maybe a couple, but not most. |
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Good story for those of us who are far removed for the lives of at-risk students in DC. Feature on a student who improved 4 grade levels in a year, but is still behind according to PARCC
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/it-feels-great-to-go-back-the-districts-students-return-to-school/2018/08/20/e2d4f528-a491-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.22b4f399c4e7 |
Yes but they are not any less upper income than the AA population at Ross which is the point. What are you trying to contest? That’s Ross has richer black kids and that’s why they perform as well as their white peers? Or that Janney has lower middle class (not low enough to qualify for FARM) AA than Ross and that’s why they suck with the 36 black kids they do have? I know one thing, as a black mom of a black boy, if I had my choice, I would not enroll my kid at Janney. Also, I know about 20 families at Janney. 4 black, 1 interracial, and 5 white. 3 of the 4 Black are head and shoulders more wealthy with more prestigious careers. But you keep assuming all the black kids at Janney come from households making a modest $70k. |
PP here and I am simply wondering why Ross in particular has AA scores higher than comparable schools. Do you really think Ross is doing something so specific and impactful and different from Janney etc. that it increases scores that much in AA students compared to other schools? Rather than perhaps a more likely explanation, like SES differences or random fluctuations in scores? If so, all I can say is that you have more faith in the system than I do, from one black parent to another. |
The school's performance on ELA is especially remarkable to me given how many English language learners there are at the school. A very significant percentage of the student population seems to come from World Bank and foreign service families. The number of foreign languages that kids speak with the parents at pick up time is striking, as is the number of kids who have started at the school speaking no English at all. I think because Ross is so small, there is a sense among the principal and teaching staff that the success of every single child matters. I see at lot of individualized intervention there, and not just for kids that need to be brought up to grade level. |