How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Some parents believe that TJ automatically means Harvard. Worse yet, they think that Harvard is the same caliber as other colleges/universities, or that Harvard is where every student should aspire to go to. The "Harvard or bust" crowd is often one in the same as the "TJ or bust" crowd. Not that hard to understand. Harvard is analogous to whatever few top "acceptable" colleges/universities. Mind you, every parent could possibly feel this way, so it makes one snowflake no different, in that regard.

[Anonymous]

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Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

My husband taught at U. Illinois and while Chinese international students made up 12-15% of total student body, they were 50% of their engineering college, which is one of the most prestigious in the US.

I know for a fact U. of Illinois goes on road trips to China to recruit these students. Almost all are full pay. Illinois has a terrible budget problem and the state doesn't support the university anymore like it used to. Yes, Illinois Engineering is very highly ranked.

Well yeah, almost every university recruits overseas, because those students are full pay, of course it is a business decision for the universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Some parents believe that TJ automatically means Harvard. Worse yet, they think that Harvard is the same caliber as other colleges/universities, or that Harvard is where every student should aspire to go to. The "Harvard or bust" crowd is often one in the same as the "TJ or bust" crowd. Not that hard to understand. Harvard is analogous to whatever few top "acceptable" colleges/universities. Mind you, every parent could possibly feel this way, so it makes one snowflake no different, in that regard.

I think there's more to it than that. The vibe I'm getting is that white parents posting on this thread think TJ is too Asian. That's racist. There's a lot of racism being expressed on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

Right. And nobody wants that because TJ is too Asian. Racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

And that includes virtually no URMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

Right. And nobody wants that because TJ is too Asian. Racist.

Lack of URMs at TJ.... That's racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

Right. And nobody wants that because TJ is too Asian. Racist.

DP here. I am not saying what is right or wrong, ideally everyone would get into everywhere they apply - especially if their parents feel they "deserve" it, right? Hell, I know someone who had no basis for claiming their child "deserves" an Ivy, and they come hell or high water wanted Harvard, but they had to settle for a lesser Ivy, so? I do know both whites and Asians that have turned down TJ because it is not a real world experience, and they want a different experience for their children. I don't know if I agree, for my children, but everyone is entitled to their own experience and opinion. Just because I don't agree with that stance, does not make it not so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

Right. And nobody wants that because TJ is too Asian. Racist.

Lack of URMs at TJ.... That's racist.

+1

I think that other PPs are confusing URMs and Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Because for many who support this suit, TJ is the model that Harvard should follow.

And that includes virtually no URMs.

+1

Exactly the problem. Do people really not see this? If anyone has a right to complain....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Some parents believe that TJ automatically means Harvard. Worse yet, they think that Harvard is the same caliber as other colleges/universities, or that Harvard is where every student should aspire to go to. The "Harvard or bust" crowd is often one in the same as the "TJ or bust" crowd. Not that hard to understand. Harvard is analogous to whatever few top "acceptable" colleges/universities. Mind you, every parent could possibly feel this way, so it makes one snowflake no different, in that regard.

I think there's more to it than that. The vibe I'm getting is that white parents posting on this thread think TJ is too Asian. That's racist. There's a lot of racism being expressed on this thread.

I agree. But I also know Asian families who have turned down TJ because it is too Asian. And some racist PPs don't want to believe that that actually happens, but it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Some parents believe that TJ automatically means Harvard. Worse yet, they think that Harvard is the same caliber as other colleges/universities, or that Harvard is where every student should aspire to go to. The "Harvard or bust" crowd is often one in the same as the "TJ or bust" crowd. Not that hard to understand. Harvard is analogous to whatever few top "acceptable" colleges/universities. Mind you, every parent could possibly feel this way, so it makes one snowflake no different, in that regard.

I think there's more to it than that. The vibe I'm getting is that white parents posting on this thread think TJ is too Asian. That's racist. There's a lot of racism being expressed on this thread.

Actually, a complaint has been filed with the U.S. Dept. of Education on behalf of black and Hispanic students who are accepted by TJ at a much lower rate than their percent of the applicant pool would suggest. Indirectly I guess they are saying it's "too Asian." This is a public school after all, so I don't see why that is allowed to happen. Harvard, on the other hand, being private...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard wants to increase their URM students to a point! I agree that they are discriminating against Asians. However, I would argue that Harvard will not decrease the number of whites students below 50%. If that happens wealthy/elite whites will not want to attend and it will lose its status. I don't think that is fair, but that is the reality.

They are already below 50%. The last two classes have been majority-minority. You can look this up; indeed Harvard brags about it.
You really could argue that the Asians are proportionally represented, blacks and Hispanics slightly over-represented, and whites are under-represented. Really it's the whites who have a case here based on disparate impact.

OP here. Yes, I just looked it up and it is 44%. I still stand by my overall point that their ultimate diversity goal is to keep whites as the majority of any racial group.

Also, Harvard doesn't see itself as a STEM only school. It is a liberal arts institution. This drives their diversity philosophy. I teach at a tier 1 university and the majority of Asian students major in STEM related fields. I assume this also happens at Harvard. Does this influence admissions for Asians as they are competing against themselves? I think more Asians students majoring in the humanities and social sciences would increase their overall percentage in schools like Harvard.

Yes, this is true. Your declared field interest is considered in the application, and factors into the diversity question. The huge number of Asian applicants wanting to major in a STEM discipline indeeds means they are competing against each other to a point.

+1

BINGO. Hence fewer Asians wanting to go to TJ, possibly (as I have seen some Asian families decline TJ for this reason). I think it is difficult to understand, unless you are Asian. TJ is "top heavy".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Geez what's up with all the anti-Asia bias here?

- White guy

many good posts explain why the lawsuit is meritless. I for one disavow all comments calling these applicant "robot" etc. That is offensive. Nevertheless, Harvard's depiction of many of them as "standard strong", i.e. not exceptional enough for a spot at Harvard, considering the need for diversity, rings true. Is that what you mean by "anti-Asia bias"?

I'm not talking about the merits of the lawsuit. Lots of wrongs are not actionable. I'm talking about the obvious anti-Asian bias and bashing on this thread. Why the constant bashing of TJ, for example? What does that have to do with anything?

Jealousy maybe?

Some parents believe that TJ automatically means Harvard. Worse yet, they think that Harvard is the same caliber as other colleges/universities, or that Harvard is where every student should aspire to go to. The "Harvard or bust" crowd is often one in the same as the "TJ or bust" crowd. Not that hard to understand. Harvard is analogous to whatever few top "acceptable" colleges/universities. Mind you, every parent could possibly feel this way, so it makes one snowflake no different, in that regard.

I think there's more to it than that. The vibe I'm getting is that white parents posting on this thread think TJ is too Asian. That's racist. There's a lot of racism being expressed on this thread.

Actually, a complaint has been filed with the U.S. Dept. of Education on behalf of black and Hispanic students who are accepted by TJ at a much lower rate than their percent of the applicant pool would suggest. Indirectly I guess they are saying it's "too Asian." This is a public school after all, so I don't see why that is allowed to happen. Harvard, on the other hand, being private...

+1

Private vs. public is key - some of the PPs don't seem to decipher the difference.

[Anonymous]

The ruling class (whites) don’t like it when a minority underclass (Asians) outperforms them. They make up all sorts of garbage to justify the discrimination. See nazi Germany and the way Christians felt threatened by the Jews.