How can anyone believe in god when there's so much evil in the world?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wiki's description is very adequate:

"Satan[a] is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel, or a jinni, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Yep. Thus, evil is also part of God's will and plan.

No, it's not. God did not make Stan to rebel. Satan did it himself.

God didn't know what Satan was going to do when he created Satan??

It is blasphemous and irrelevant to be questioning God's mind. What is VERY relevant to us is to reject Satan's seduction. That is all that we need to be worried about since our salvation depends on it.

Translation: Don't as questions, because they make you think uncomfortable thoughts.

Sorry pp. I was once religious too. I get the comfort it gives to people, but it makes absolutely zero sense. There's no point in explaining anything, because you will just go in circles of "don't question anything, we don't understand God."

Bottom line is, is that's impossible for any God to be monotheistic and the God of everything, and not the deliberate, willing God of evil, pain, suffering, kids getting cancer, etc. Either it's one God, or competing Gods.

Do whatever you want. Don't believe. Search for your evidence. What ever you want. You have free will. You will bear the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions not me.

Ditto.

But then you don't belong in this thread, or any threads that discuss religion. You are clearly uncomfortable with discussing or thinking about things, since it's "blasphemous [...] to be questioning God's mind." Your belief is blind - and that's fine if that's what you want. But you don't belong in threads like these that are seeking to break things down and hash things out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I thought you were the angry, doubting, "find evidence" pp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wiki's description is very adequate:

"Satan[a] is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel, or a jinni, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Yep. Thus, evil is also part of God's will and plan.

No, it's not. God did not make Stan to rebel. Satan did it himself.

God didn't know what Satan was going to do when he created Satan??

It is blasphemous and irrelevant to be questioning God's mind. What is VERY relevant to us is to reject Satan's seduction. That is all that we need to be worried about since our salvation depends on it.

Translation: Don't as questions, because they make you think uncomfortable thoughts.

Sorry pp. I was once religious too. I get the comfort it gives to people, but it makes absolutely zero sense. There's no point in explaining anything, because you will just go in circles of "don't question anything, we don't understand God."

Bottom line is, is that's impossible for any God to be monotheistic and the God of everything, and not the deliberate, willing God of evil, pain, suffering, kids getting cancer, etc. Either it's one God, or competing Gods.

Do whatever you want. Don't believe. Search for your evidence. What ever you want. You have free will. You will bear the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions not me.

Ditto.

But then you don't belong in this thread, or any threads that discuss religion. You are clearly uncomfortable with discussing or thinking about things, since it's "blasphemous [...] to be questioning God's mind." Your belief is blind - and that's fine if that's what you want. But you don't belong in threads like these that are seeking to break things down and hash things out.

You don't belong here either. This is Religion forum that attracts religious people. If you are on the quest to "break down" people's faith you will meet resistance. Naturally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I thought you were the angry, doubting, "find evidence" pp.

The Blood of Jesus is enough for me. And God’s arms, welcoming me home.

[Anonymous]

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I just read what's posted in the link. They say the same thing.

More proof you haven't read them.

The King James Bible and the Jefferson Bible and the Book Of Mormon all say the same thing?

Nope.

And how about the thousands of other holy books?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text

And don't get me started about contradictions within each bible!

I am not familiar with all religious texts. I posted a link that that clearly showed that many versions of the Bible are basically the same, just different phrasing.

I can’t guide you or direct you in your journey to understand religion. It’s something you must be led to and have a personal interest and conviction about.

I don’t know if you are offended or mad or confused about religions of the world, and those who practice them. If you don’t feel led to a certain religion or way to worship a higher power, I sincerely doubt you’ll find much direction or clarity on an anonymous message board. Good luck to you, though.

First you say they say the same thing. Then you say you haven't read them, but they say "basically the same thing".

You're not making a very strong case for your position.

BTW, I am neither mad nor confused. Just interested, fascinated, and desirous of engaging in discussion and encouraging critical thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I thought you were the angry, doubting, "find evidence" pp.

The Blood of Jesus is enough for me. And God’s arms, welcoming me home.

Same with me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wiki's description is very adequate:

"Satan[a] is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel, or a jinni, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Yep. Thus, evil is also part of God's will and plan.

No, it's not. God did not make Stan to rebel. Satan did it himself.

God didn't know what Satan was going to do when he created Satan??

It is blasphemous and irrelevant to be questioning God's mind. What is VERY relevant to us is to reject Satan's seduction. That is all that we need to be worried about since our salvation depends on it.

Translation: Don't as questions, because they make you think uncomfortable thoughts.

Sorry pp. I was once religious too. I get the comfort it gives to people, but it makes absolutely zero sense. There's no point in explaining anything, because you will just go in circles of "don't question anything, we don't understand God."

Bottom line is, is that's impossible for any God to be monotheistic and the God of everything, and not the deliberate, willing God of evil, pain, suffering, kids getting cancer, etc. Either it's one God, or competing Gods.

Do whatever you want. Don't believe. Search for your evidence. What ever you want. You have free will. You will bear the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions not me.

Ditto.

But then you don't belong in this thread, or any threads that discuss religion. You are clearly uncomfortable with discussing or thinking about things, since it's "blasphemous [...] to be questioning God's mind." Your belief is blind - and that's fine if that's what you want. But you don't belong in threads like these that are seeking to break things down and hash things out.

You don't belong here either. This is Religion forum that attracts religious people. If you are on the quest to "break down" people's faith you will meet resistance. Naturally.

I don't think you understood my use of "break things down" - it means dissect. Critical thinking. There are people of faith that are open to critical thinking about their religion and the formation of beliefs. You are clearly not open to that dissection, because you believe it to be blasphemous. By all means stick to the threads that are confined to your structured belief system, but hashing things out is obviously against your belief system in the first place.

This specific thread ain't for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wiki's description is very adequate:

"Satan[a] is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel, or a jinni, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Yep. Thus, evil is also part of God's will and plan.

No, it's not. God did not make Stan to rebel. Satan did it himself.

God didn't know what Satan was going to do when he created Satan??

It is blasphemous and irrelevant to be questioning God's mind. What is VERY relevant to us is to reject Satan's seduction. That is all that we need to be worried about since our salvation depends on it.

Translation: Don't as questions, because they make you think uncomfortable thoughts.

Sorry pp. I was once religious too. I get the comfort it gives to people, but it makes absolutely zero sense. There's no point in explaining anything, because you will just go in circles of "don't question anything, we don't understand God."

Bottom line is, is that's impossible for any God to be monotheistic and the God of everything, and not the deliberate, willing God of evil, pain, suffering, kids getting cancer, etc. Either it's one God, or competing Gods.

Do whatever you want. Don't believe. Search for your evidence. What ever you want. You have free will. You will bear the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions not me.

Ditto.

But then you don't belong in this thread, or any threads that discuss religion. You are clearly uncomfortable with discussing or thinking about things, since it's "blasphemous [...] to be questioning God's mind." Your belief is blind - and that's fine if that's what you want. But you don't belong in threads like these that are seeking to break things down and hash things out.

You don't belong here either. This is Religion forum that attracts religious people. If you are on the quest to "break down" people's faith you will meet resistance. Naturally.

I don't think you understood my use of "break things down" - it means dissect. Critical thinking. There are people of faith that are open to critical thinking about their religion and the formation of beliefs. You are clearly not open to that dissection, because you believe it to be blasphemous. By all means stick to the threads that are confined to your structured belief system, but hashing things out is obviously against your belief system in the first place.

This specific thread ain't for you.

I'll do whatever I want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wiki's description is very adequate:

"Satan[a] is an entity in the Abrahamic religions that seduces humans into sin. In Christianity and Islam, he is usually seen as a fallen angel, or a jinni, who used to possess great piety and beauty, but rebelled against God, who nevertheless allows him temporary power over the fallen world and a host of demons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Yep. Thus, evil is also part of God's will and plan.

No, it's not. God did not make Stan to rebel. Satan did it himself.

God didn't know what Satan was going to do when he created Satan??

It is blasphemous and irrelevant to be questioning God's mind. What is VERY relevant to us is to reject Satan's seduction. That is all that we need to be worried about since our salvation depends on it.

Translation: Don't as questions, because they make you think uncomfortable thoughts.

Sorry pp. I was once religious too. I get the comfort it gives to people, but it makes absolutely zero sense. There's no point in explaining anything, because you will just go in circles of "don't question anything, we don't understand God."

Bottom line is, is that's impossible for any God to be monotheistic and the God of everything, and not the deliberate, willing God of evil, pain, suffering, kids getting cancer, etc. Either it's one God, or competing Gods.

Do whatever you want. Don't believe. Search for your evidence. What ever you want. You have free will. You will bear the consequences of your thoughts, words, and actions not me.

Ditto.

But then you don't belong in this thread, or any threads that discuss religion. You are clearly uncomfortable with discussing or thinking about things, since it's "blasphemous [...] to be questioning God's mind." Your belief is blind - and that's fine if that's what you want. But you don't belong in threads like these that are seeking to break things down and hash things out.

You don't belong here either. This is Religion forum that attracts religious people. If you are on the quest to "break down" people's faith you will meet resistance. Naturally.

I don't think you understood my use of "break things down" - it means dissect. Critical thinking. There are people of faith that are open to critical thinking about their religion and the formation of beliefs. You are clearly not open to that dissection, because you believe it to be blasphemous. By all means stick to the threads that are confined to your structured belief system, but hashing things out is obviously against your belief system in the first place.

This specific thread ain't for you.

I'll do whatever I want.

Sounds like Satan

[Anonymous]

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I just read what's posted in the link. They say the same thing.

More proof you haven't read them.

The King James Bible and the Jefferson Bible and the Book Of Mormon all say the same thing?

Nope.

And how about the thousands of other holy books?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text

And don't get me started about contradictions within each bible!

I am not familiar with all religious texts. I posted a link that that clearly showed that many versions of the Bible are basically the same, just different phrasing.

I can’t guide you or direct you in your journey to understand religion. It’s something you must be led to and have a personal interest and conviction about.

I don’t know if you are offended or mad or confused about religions of the world, and those who practice them. If you don’t feel led to a certain religion or way to worship a higher power, I sincerely doubt you’ll find much direction or clarity on an anonymous message board. Good luck to you, though.

First you say they say the same thing. Then you say you haven't read them, but they say "basically the same thing".

You're not making a very strong case for your position.

BTW, I am neither mad nor confused. Just interested, fascinated, and desirous of engaging in discussion and encouraging critical thinking.

There are how many religions in the world? Lots. I don’t know about them.

I know a teensy bit about my “type” of Christianity.

I posted a link earlier that showed you clearly many versions of the Bible say the same thing, just with different phrasing.


Job 1:21
http://biblehub.com/job/1-21.htm

Here’s the link again with another example.

I can’t explain any other religion to you, in any way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I thought you were the angry, doubting, "find evidence" pp.

The Blood of Jesus is enough for me. And God’s arms, welcoming me home.

Same with me

Come Soon, Lord!

[Anonymous]

Job 1:21 ?
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New International Version
and said: "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised."

New Living Translation
He said, "I came naked from my mother's womb, and I will be naked when I leave. The LORD gave me what I had, and the LORD has taken it away. Praise the name of the LORD!"

English Standard Version
And he said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”

New American Standard Bible
He said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD."

King James Bible
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Christian Standard Bible
saying: Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will leave this life. The LORD gives, and the LORD takes away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.

Contemporary English Version
and said: "We bring nothing at birth; we take nothing with us at death. The LORD alone gives and takes. Praise the name of the LORD!"

Good News Translation
He said, "I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The LORD gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying: Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will leave this life. The LORD gives, and the LORD takes away. Praise the name of Yahweh.

International Standard Version
and exclaimed: "I left my mother's womb naked, and I will return to God naked. The LORD has given, and the LORD has taken. May the name of the LORD be blessed."

NET Bible
He said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will return there. The LORD gives, and the LORD takes away. May the name of the LORD be blessed!"

New Heart English Bible
He said, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He said, "Naked I came from my mother, and naked I will return. The LORD has given, and the LORD has taken away! May the name of the LORD be praised."

JPS Tanakh 1917
And he said; Naked came I out of my mother's womb, And naked shall I return thither; The LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; Blessed be the name of the LORD.

New American Standard 1977
And he said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.”

Jubilee Bible 2000
and said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

King James 2000 Bible
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there: the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

American King James Version
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

American Standard Version
and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: Jehovah gave, and Jehovah hath taken away; blessed be the name of Jehovah.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And said: Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: as it hath pleased the Lord so is it done: blessed be the name of the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: Jehovah gave, and Jehovah hath taken away; blessed be the name of Jehovah!

English Revised Version
and he said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Webster's Bible Translation
And said, Naked came I from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: The LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

World English Bible
He said, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. Yahweh gave, and Yahweh has taken away. Blessed be the name of Yahweh."

Young's Literal Translation
and he saith, 'Naked came I forth from the womb of my mother, and naked I turn back thither: Jehovah hath given and Jehovah hath taken: let the name of Jehovah be blessed.'

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

Why are you so worried about another person’s choice of non-faith? It’s a private and deeply held conviction that does not affect you.

I am not worried about anyone’s non faith. I have not asked one person what they believe or why they do not believe.

Good. In that case you shouldn't be that angry but peaceful and fulfilled in your non-belief.

I believe the messages have gotten muddled; I am a steadfast Christian and love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I thought you were the angry, doubting, "find evidence" pp.

The Blood of Jesus is enough for me. And God’s arms, welcoming me home.

Same with me

Come Soon, Lord!

He sure will. But not on our timeline but His. And then there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

[Anonymous]

^there’s no variation of substance, just style. It’s not hard to see that.