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Don't all VA high schools have access to Naviance? That gives you real information about your DC's odds coming from their high school.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

[b]These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

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I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

I'll second this. Yorktown gets 30-40 kids into UVA each year, but the acceptance rate last year (based on Naviance) was 28%. Not 38%. If your kid goes to a NoVA HS, that 38% rate includes kids outside your kid's public HS class.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA. The angry parents can pound sand. Make UVA the best school it can be.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA. The angry parents can pound sand. Make UVA the best school it can be.

That’s not s constructive comment. UVA could easily increase its class size somewhat or make slight adjustments to the ratio and still be superb. To be sure, excellent out of state applicants make UVA as great as it is, to s large extent. What’s happened over the past 30 years is that nova has become one of the most coveted and well educated places on earth.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA. The angry parents can pound sand. Make UVA the best school it can be.

That’s not s constructive comment. UVA could easily increase its class size somewhat or make slight adjustments to the ratio and still be superb. To be sure, excellent out of state applicants make UVA as great as it is, to s large extent. What’s happened over the past 30 years is that nova has become one of the most coveted and well educated places on earth.

Angry instate parents have paid nothing and are owed nothing. As a taxpayer I want UVA to retain the best instate talent and attract the best OOS talent. This will serve the state of VA. For the parents who think every kid deserves a trophy, I’m sorry.

[Anonymous]

Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA. The angry parents can pound sand. Make UVA the best school it can be.

That’s not s constructive comment. UVA could easily increase its class size somewhat or make slight adjustments to the ratio and still be superb. To be sure, excellent out of state applicants make UVA as great as it is, to s large extent. What’s happened over the past 30 years is that nova has become one of the most coveted and well educated places on earth.

Angry instate parents have paid nothing and are owed nothing. As a taxpayer I want UVA to retain the best instate talent and attract the best OOS talent. This will serve the state of VA. For the parents who think every kid deserves a trophy, I’m sorry.

If equally qualified instate students are losing spots to OOS students, then that isn't right. Is that happening? I don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

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Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

One of my HS friends went to UVA for aerospace engineering. He always joked that VT trains you to be an engineer, UVA trains you to be an engineering leader. I always scoffed, but he's now VP of engineering at a pretty big company. I'd bet if you looked at the average stats of the VT engineering majors they're probably still lower than the UVA engineering majors even though tech is more highly "ranked", so the peer group at UVA is probably brighter on average.

Just to check, I looked up some SAT scores.

The average SAT scores for VT engineering students in 2017 was 1340 (significantly higher than general population) (https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/FreshmenSummary.aspx)

The average SAT scores for ALL UVA students is over 1400. I'm sure it's higher for engineering.

So, someone might want to go to UVA for engineering instead of VT to be around a brighter peer group.

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Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

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I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA. The angry parents can pound sand. Make UVA the best school it can be.

That’s not s constructive comment. UVA could easily increase its class size somewhat or make slight adjustments to the ratio and still be superb. To be sure, excellent out of state applicants make UVA as great as it is, to s large extent. What’s happened over the past 30 years is that nova has become one of the most coveted and well educated places on earth.

It already has. Someone went and posted the growth figures. Every year it expands. Many of these universities were built in the horse drawn carriage era (did not plan for car parking) and towns have built up around them. There is simply no more room in Charlottesville. Rush hour traffic is a serious problem there if you are anywhere close to Emett or near the University.

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Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

One of my HS friends went to UVA for aerospace engineering. He always joked that VT trains you to be an engineer, UVA trains you to be an engineering leader. I always scoffed, but he's now VP of engineering at a pretty big company. I'd bet if you looked at the average stats of the VT engineering majors they're probably still lower than the UVA engineering majors even though tech is more highly "ranked", so the peer group at UVA is probably brighter on average.

Just to check, I looked up some SAT scores.

The average SAT scores for VT engineering students in 2017 was 1340 (significantly higher than general population) (https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/FreshmenSummary.aspx)

The average SAT scores for ALL UVA students is over 1400. I'm sure it's higher for engineering.

So, someone might want to go to UVA for engineering instead of VT to be around a brighter peer group.

Actually UVA has zero Nobel laureates and an suprisingly low number of pulitzers or Emmys and no academy award alumni. Along with no highly impactful alumni for the last 100 years. They may be bright going in but seem to lose focus or are inherently risk averse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

One of my HS friends went to UVA for aerospace engineering. He always joked that VT trains you to be an engineer, UVA trains you to be an engineering leader. I always scoffed, but he's now VP of engineering at a pretty big company. I'd bet if you looked at the average stats of the VT engineering majors they're probably still lower than the UVA engineering majors even though tech is more highly "ranked", so the peer group at UVA is probably brighter on average.

Just to check, I looked up some SAT scores.

The average SAT scores for VT engineering students in 2017 was 1340 (significantly higher than general population) (https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/FreshmenSummary.aspx)

The average SAT scores for ALL UVA students is over 1400. I'm sure it's higher for engineering.

So, someone might want to go to UVA for engineering instead of VT to be around a brighter peer group.

Actually UVA has zero Nobel laureates and an suprisingly low number of pulitzers or Emmys and no academy award alumni. Along with no highly impactful alumni for the last 100 years. They may be bright going in but seem to lose focus or are inherently risk averse.

This is not true. Woodrow Wilson is a Nobel laureate. I guess they didn’t teach you very good research skills at UM.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

One of my HS friends went to UVA for aerospace engineering. He always joked that VT trains you to be an engineer, UVA trains you to be an engineering leader. I always scoffed, but he's now VP of engineering at a pretty big company. I'd bet if you looked at the average stats of the VT engineering majors they're probably still lower than the UVA engineering majors even though tech is more highly "ranked", so the peer group at UVA is probably brighter on average.

Just to check, I looked up some SAT scores.

The average SAT scores for VT engineering students in 2017 was 1340 (significantly higher than general population) (https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/FreshmenSummary.aspx)

The average SAT scores for ALL UVA students is over 1400. I'm sure it's higher for engineering.

So, someone might want to go to UVA for engineering instead of VT to be around a brighter peer group.

Actually UVA has zero Nobel laureates and an suprisingly low number of pulitzers or Emmys and no academy award alumni. Along with no highly impactful alumni for the last 100 years. They may be bright going in but seem to lose focus or are inherently risk averse.

This is not true. Woodrow Wilson is a Nobel laureate. I guess they didn’t teach you very good research skills at UM.

And an alumnus is nominated this year for Loving Vincent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talent in what?
UVA specializes in easy majors. That's why it is poorly regarded worldwide.

YOu again? What is your problem? My DC at UVA is in aerospace engineering. You try to take his classes.

Why didn't he go to tech for the higher ranked program?

One of my HS friends went to UVA for aerospace engineering. He always joked that VT trains you to be an engineer, UVA trains you to be an engineering leader. I always scoffed, but he's now VP of engineering at a pretty big company. I'd bet if you looked at the average stats of the VT engineering majors they're probably still lower than the UVA engineering majors even though tech is more highly "ranked", so the peer group at UVA is probably brighter on average.

Just to check, I looked up some SAT scores.

The average SAT scores for VT engineering students in 2017 was 1340 (significantly higher than general population) (https://irweb.ir.vt.edu/webtest/FreshmenSummary.aspx)

The average SAT scores for ALL UVA students is over 1400. I'm sure it's higher for engineering.

So, someone might want to go to UVA for engineering instead of VT to be around a brighter peer group.

Actually UVA has zero Nobel laureates and an suprisingly low number of pulitzers or Emmys and no academy award alumni. Along with no highly impactful alumni for the last 100 years. They may be bright going in but seem to lose focus or are inherently risk averse.

This is not true. Woodrow Wilson is a Nobel laureate. I guess they didn’t teach you very good research skills at UM.

And an alumnus is nominated this year for Loving Vincent.

5 academy awards have been won by uva alumni.