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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html

Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.

Overall offers: 9,849
[b]Total VA offers: 4,303[/b] (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.

Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score:  1330-1490 (VA)  1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA)  33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.

Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).[/quote]
[b]So 38% of in state applicants[/b] receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490[/quote]

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in.  That skews the results for in-state.[/quote]
4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

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So let me explain how TJ skews the results.  The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS.  One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!).  For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety.  In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics).  200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats.  So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ.  But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc.  Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots.  In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc.  They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools.  The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA.  This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M.  The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.).  So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA.  UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.[/quote]

[b]These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school.  The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.[/quote]
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I disagree.  The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork.  It's a false high acceptance figure.[/quote]

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant.  And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult.  [b]No easy answers.[/b]  [/quote]

Agree.  What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students.  Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%.  I don't know if it is taking place this year or next.  UVA is at 58% in-state.  It's a tough call.  UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.[/quote]

Plenty of other in-state options for kids who can't get in to UVA.  The angry parents can pound sand.  Make UVA the best school it can be.[/quote]

That’s not s constructive comment.  UVA could easily increase its class size somewhat or make slight adjustments to the ratio and still be superb.  To be sure, excellent out of state applicants make UVA as great as it is, to s large extent.  What’s happened over the past 30 years is that nova has become one of the most coveted and well educated places on earth. [/quote]

Angry instate parents have paid nothing and are owed nothing. As a taxpayer I want UVA to retain the best instate talent and attract the best OOS talent. This will serve the state of VA. For the parents who think every kid deserves a trophy, I’m sorry.[/quote]

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