UVA out tomorrow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I foresee my 9th grader needing to take ten to 12 APs now. I only took three and got in everywhere in the late nineties. *sigh*

Our small private limits the number of APs for students and for every year our child has attended, about a quarter of the senior class is accepted to UVA.

I am a parent to two current UVA students, one who took 12+ AP classes in his public HS and the other who’s private HS had more limited AP classes and was able to take “only” 10 APs. I really wish more HSs would limit APs. UVA (and the other very selective colleges) create this insanity by always say they want students who took advantage of the “most rigorous” classes available at their high schools, so that students who, unless they have a hook, really do need to take 10+ AP classes to have a chance of acceptance.

+1 When the HS imposes a limit on APs, colleges take that into account and it cuts down on the pressure to take high numbers. When there's no limit and lots of APs offered, it's a race to get the most. Unfortunately, too many parents support the race. I asked about our public HS imposing a limit and was told they used to have one but got so many parent complaints that they dropped it. So, I'll be imposing the limit myself and accepting that my kids will not go to UVA. That's fine, there are plenty of other options.

+100
We decided long ago not to even enter the AP rat race. Our kids take a few, in their stronger areas, but that's it. Life has been better for all of us, even though we knew UVA, etc. were off the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basically, if u are a non-protected status middle class public school kid, there’s a better chance of being struck by lightning than being admitted.

When you account for hooks like affirmative action, legacies, etc., yes—the numbers are tough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I foresee my 9th grader needing to take ten to 12 APs now. I only took three and got in everywhere in the late nineties. *sigh*

Our small private limits the number of APs for students and for every year our child has attended, about a quarter of the senior class is accepted to UVA.

I am a parent to two current UVA students, one who took 12+ AP classes in his public HS and the other who’s private HS had more limited AP classes and was able to take “only” 10 APs. I really wish more HSs would limit APs. UVA (and the other very selective colleges) create this insanity by always say they want students who took advantage of the “most rigorous” classes available at their high schools, so that students who, unless they have a hook, really do need to take 10+ AP classes to have a chance of acceptance.

Agree completely. I'm the parent saying too much stress. But it is all elite colleges now which want to see 10, 11, 12 AP courses, not just UVA.

[Anonymous]

The interesting thing that skews results for uva and other competitive schools is the amount of kids who decide to not even apply because they don't think they have a shot to get in and the thousands of super duper over achieving kids who are indistinguishable on paper from each other vying for the same spots. Just crazy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't put much hope in first-generation status helping. My kid got waitlisted, even with scores, gpa, APs, and extracurriculars that are all about even with kids who got in.

Out of curiosity, do you mind if I ask if he or she is in top ten percent of their class?

Yes, he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing that skews results for uva and other competitive schools is the amount of kids who decide to not even apply because they don't think they have a shot to get in and the thousands of super duper over achieving kids who are indistinguishable on paper from each other vying for the same spots. Just crazy

It's sad how many interesting, creative, and original kids they're missing out on by only accepting those with top grades, scores, etc. Many extremely bright kids just don't give it their all in high school and completely blossom in college.

I don't think we'll encourage our child to apply. He's so funny and smart, but would have no chance of getting in because he's just not that interested in "playing the numbers game."

[Anonymous]

UVA has played the numbers game for decades. It’s just that, back in the early 1990s, say, the numbers were just very good—not off the charts amazing like they are now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing that skews results for uva and other competitive schools is the amount of kids who decide to not even apply because they don't think they have a shot to get in and the thousands of super duper over achieving kids who are indistinguishable on paper from each other vying for the same spots. Just crazy

It's sad how many interesting, creative, and original kids they're missing out on by only accepting those with top grades, scores, etc. Many extremely bright kids just don't give it their all in high school and completely blossom in college.

I don't think we'll encourage our child to apply. He's so funny and smart, but would have no chance of getting in because he's just not that interested in "playing the numbers game."

Oh so the kids they get aren't interesting, creative, and original?

BS. Such BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing that skews results for uva and other competitive schools is the amount of kids who decide to not even apply because they don't think they have a shot to get in and the thousands of super duper over achieving kids who are indistinguishable on paper from each other vying for the same spots. Just crazy

It's sad how many interesting, creative, and original kids they're missing out on by only accepting those with top grades, scores, etc. Many extremely bright kids just don't give it their all in high school and completely blossom in college.

I don't think we'll encourage our child to apply. He's so funny and smart, but would have no chance of getting in because he's just not that interested in "playing the numbers game."

It’s sad that people expect UVA to lower the bar when options like W&M, VT, and JMU are available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't put much hope in first-generation status helping. My kid got waitlisted, even with scores, gpa, APs, and extracurriculars that are all about even with kids who got in.

Out of curiosity, do you mind if I ask if he or she is in top ten percent of their class?

Yes, he is.

I'm really sorry. Our DD didn't even bother applying. Her high school (public) counselor showed her the Naviance charts. I hope you get off the waitlist. UVA says it took 10% first-generation students this year but I don't know how many of those in that 10% fulfill other boxes, say URM, immigrants, athletes, low-income. I imagine there's some overlap. best of luck to you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

[b]These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

[b]These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. No easy answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2018/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html


Total applications: 37,222 (36,779 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 11,338
Total number of OOS apps: 25,884
We use completed applications in our statistics.


Overall offers: 9,849
Total VA offers: 4,303 (38% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 5,546 (21.4% offer rate)
Schools admit more students than the enrollment goal with yield in mind. Yield is how many students accept an offer of admission.


Testing/Rank (offers only)
Middle 50% SAT score: 1330-1490 (VA) 1420-1530 (OOS)
Middle 50% ACT composite: 30-34 (VA) 33-35 (OOS)
We use scores from each section in our review, but the reports on averages generate totals.



Overall offer rate for the defer group: 16.6%
Students offered spots on the waiting list: 28.6%

The waiting list forms as students opt into it via SIS and we have seen up to HALF decline putting themselves on the list. The waiting list will have ten different segments (in-state and OOS for each of the five academic areas that take first-year students).

So 38% of in state applicants receive an offer and the middle 50% of successful VA applicants have SAT scores 1330-1490

You have to factor in the 250 TJ students who get in. That skews the results for in-state.

4303 admitted IS. How do you know250 TJ kids got admitted?

So let me explain how TJ skews the results. The percentage of in-state acceptances is higher than OOS. One of the Deans (go to UVA blog) explains that this is because the yield from Virginians (those that actually show up) is lower for Virginians than for OOS because a few of the very lucky ones use UVA as a safety school (not us!). For the most part, these are the T.J. students. So while the overall acceptance rate is around 26%, it is slightly higher for Virginians because UVA has to allow for the TJ students using UVA as a safety. In FCPS roughly 1,000 students are accepted, meaning 1/4 of UVA's acceptances in the state go to NOVA (which actually aligns perfectly with population demographics). 200 to 250 of those students, however, are at TJ and have astronomical stats. So 1/4 of the state's acceptances for UVA are from FCPS (roughly 1000 out of 400) and one-quarter of those are from TJ. But only 50 to 60 of those TJ students actually show up at UVA because most of the TJ students go to Ivy, Cal Tech, Ga Tech, etc. Meanwhile, the students in the other 21 FCPS high schools are competing against their own student body for UVA slots PLUS the TJ students (FCPS) for the coveted NOVA/FCPS slots. In addition to that, they are competing against NoVA residents whose kids are in private day schools in VA, MD, DC, Arlington, etc. They are also competing against NoVa residents who are in boarding schools. The result is that - say in our private - only two VA residents got into UVA. This is why the NoVA parents are upset that their kids can't get into UVA and W&M. The really peculiar twist to all of this is that when UVA says - as it did two days ago - that 93% of the accepted class of 2022 is in the top ten percent of their class - the remaining 7% are the TJ kids who aren't in the top ten percent of TJ (or they are athletes, URM, first generation, etc.). So when a parent says "OH I see that 30% or more of the Virginia applicants get in!" that assumption is false because it is TJ skimming most of the in-state slots off for NoVA. UVA wants to encourage applications to increase its selectivity scores so usually doesn't talk about the "TJ problem" or the "NOva problem" but it is quite real for parents in NoVA.

These same students would view UVA as a safety had they attended their base school. The fact that they go to TJ does not matter and does not skew the results.

/b]

I disagree. The 38% in state figure gives FCPS parents who don't know this a false hope that their child really has a 1 in 3 change of getting in to UVA simply if they put in the paperwork. It's a false high acceptance figure.

Yes, insofar as admission chances are viewed from the perspective of an unhooked garden variety nova applicant. And the thing is, with the continued influx of big brains into the nova area—and their kids—it’s only going to become more and more difficult. [b]No easy answers.

Agree. What will be interesting to watch in the next few years is to see if Virginia follows California in limiting the no. of international and OOS students. Parents are so fed up out there that they got the Regents and then state to enlarge class sizes to 80% in-state and limit OOS and international to 20%. I don't know if it is taking place this year or next. UVA is at 58% in-state. It's a tough call. UVA wants to be a world-class university, but, as in California, there are a lot of angry state parents who have paid their dues and would like to get their kids in.