why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny to read the same recycled posts from the IB boosters and then watch the AP schools come out on top again every year.

IB was placed primarily in the worst performing schools in the county, and you are bragging that they have not magically improved to compare to McLean, Langley, Madison, etc? Moron.

The more relevant point is that IB has been around in FCPS since the mid-90s, and the six top high schools (TJ, Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton and Woodson) have no interest in it. FCPS tried to convert Woodson to IB at one point and they said 'hell no."

Your expectations that somehow IB will drastically improve these schools is ridiculous.
You conveniently leave out the following AP schools in your NM semifinalist list:

West Springfield 2
Fairfax 1
Herndon 1
Stuart 1
Annandale 0
Falls Church 0
South County 0
West Potomac 0

These schools are the peers of most of the IB schools. Should we remove AP from these schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"You have to look at how AP or IB is delivered in the individual school. A great deal of IB is based on pre-packaged content from the IBO that requires little individualized mentoring."

In IB the kids have to write, write, write. This can't be "pre-packaged". IB is completely focused on "individualized mentoring" and feedback on writing. This is why it's so successful at getting students to think. Or maybe you meant to write "AP"...

They can write all they want. It doesn't mean they know how to write, write anything of value, or receive much individual attention.

Just about all the best schools in NoVa are AP. You can keep your silly IB "programme" and call your kids "global citizens" all you want. They still attend sub-par schools that most people avoid if they have any better options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's funny to read the same recycled posts from the IB boosters and then watch the AP schools come out on top again every year.

IB was placed primarily in the worst performing schools in the county, and you are bragging that they have not magically improved to compare to McLean, Langley, Madison, etc? Moron.

The more relevant point is that IB has been around in FCPS since the mid-90s, and the six top high schools (TJ, Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton and Woodson) have no interest in it. FCPS tried to convert Woodson to IB at one point and they said 'hell no."

Your expectations that somehow IB will drastically improve these schools is ridiculous.
You conveniently leave out the following AP schools in your NM semifinalist list:

West Springfield 2
Fairfax 1
Herndon 1
Stuart 1
Annandale 0
Falls Church 0
South County 0
West Potomac 0

These schools are the peers of most of the IB schools. Should we remove AP from these schools?

NMSFs are just one metric, but even there I see four NMSFs at the AP schools on the list, and only 1 at an IB school. Add the only metrics to the mix and the case for AP over IB becomes even stronger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"You have to look at how AP or IB is delivered in the individual school. A great deal of IB is based on pre-packaged content from the IBO that requires little individualized mentoring."

In IB the kids have to write, write, write. This can't be "pre-packaged". IB is completely focused on "individualized mentoring" and feedback on writing. This is why it's so successful at getting students to think. Or maybe you meant to write "AP"...

They can write all they want. It doesn't mean they know how to write, write anything of value, or receive much individual attention.

Just about all the best schools in NoVa are AP. You can keep your silly IB "programme" and call your kids "global citizens" all you want. They still attend sub-par schools that most people avoid if they have any better options.

Please stop demonstrating your failure of critical thinking. You are now putting down the IB kids without any evidence that they "write, write, write" nothing of value. Should we also say that the AP kids can take a bunch of multiple choice tests without actually demonstrating mastery of the material?

The IB program won't change those schools any more than putting AP there. It's not about IB vs AP. It is about SES. You can flip things around and put IB in Langley, Mclean, etc. - It won't make them any worse. The way FCPS implemented IB did a horrible disservice to both the IB program, and the lower performing schools where they implemented it. It gave a stigma to the whole program, and, through the "pupil placement" mechanism, allowed the "white flight" from the already challenged high schools. So I would agree that it should be implemented as a magnet, but I don't agree with trashing the program.

There are states like CA and FL where the IB program has much larger penetration. Their state schools offer significant scholarships and/or automatic admission to IB diploma candidates. They aren't stupid to do so, neither are the top schools who single out the IB diploma as a rigorous, well-established curriculum of study that evidences college readiness. You do you.

[Anonymous]

It may have been said in the discussion about SES, but I wonder if McLean, Langley, Oakton and Madison would be more interested in IB if pupil placement was restricted. It was interesting to learn how many students pupil placed to Marshall from Langley & McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"You have to look at how AP or IB is delivered in the individual school. A great deal of IB is based on pre-packaged content from the IBO that requires little individualized mentoring."

In IB the kids have to write, write, write. This can't be "pre-packaged". IB is completely focused on "individualized mentoring" and feedback on writing. This is why it's so successful at getting students to think. Or maybe you meant to write "AP"...

They can write all they want. It doesn't mean they know how to write, write anything of value, or receive much individual attention.

Just about all the best schools in NoVa are AP. You can keep your silly IB "programme" and call your kids "global citizens" all you want. They still attend sub-par schools that most people avoid if they have any better options.

Please stop demonstrating your failure of critical thinking. You are now putting down the IB kids without any evidence that they "write, write, write" nothing of value. Should we also say that the AP kids can take a bunch of multiple choice tests without actually demonstrating mastery of the material?

The IB program won't change those schools any more than putting AP there. It's not about IB vs AP. It is about SES. You can flip things around and put IB in Langley, Mclean, etc. - It won't make them any worse. The way FCPS implemented IB did a horrible disservice to both the IB program, and the lower performing schools where they implemented it. It gave a stigma to the whole program, and, through the "pupil placement" mechanism, allowed the "white flight" from the already challenged high schools. So I would agree that it should be implemented as a magnet, but I don't agree with trashing the program.

There are states like CA and FL where the IB program has much larger penetration. Their state schools offer significant scholarships and/or automatic admission to IB diploma candidates. They aren't stupid to do so, neither are the top schools who single out the IB diploma as a rigorous, well-established curriculum of study that evidences college readiness. You do you.

I know how FCPS has installed IB in some high schools but not others. I know IB from when I went to school in a smaller district where all HSes had both AP and IB. I knew the handful of kids who got an IB Diploma and I knew the many more students who took 3, 6+ AP classes. We all chose what we wanted. Very few people chose IB. That's not "stigma".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AP is less strenuous. IB requires a much more dedicated student. So if you put IB in lower performing schools you get fewer high performing students, amazing how that works.

IB students are more well rounded, my Alma Mater looks very favorably on IB diploma holders, they feel those college freshmen are better prepared for the college classroom environment.

Yes. TJ and McLean have much less strenuous workloads than Stuart. That's why all the slackers gravitate toward TJ and the overachievers fight to get into Stuart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's funny to read the same recycled posts from the IB boosters and then watch the AP schools come out on top again every year.

IB was placed primarily in the worst performing schools in the county, and you are bragging that they have not magically improved to compare to McLean, Langley, Madison, etc? Moron.

The more relevant point is that IB has been around in FCPS since the mid-90s, and the six top high schools (TJ, Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton and Woodson) have no interest in it. FCPS tried to convert Woodson to IB at one point and they said 'hell no."

Your expectations that somehow IB will drastically improve these schools is ridiculous.
You conveniently leave out the following AP schools in your NM semifinalist list:

West Springfield 2
Fairfax 1
Herndon 1
Stuart 1
Annandale 0
Falls Church 0
South County 0
West Potomac 0

These schools are the peers of most of the IB schools. Should we remove AP from these schools?

So IB is only great when compared to low performing schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's telling that the school profiles on the FCPS web site don't disclose the number of IB diploma candidates or recipients at the eight IB high/secondary schools. They don't want you to know.

Yes. "They" are keeping the information from you.

Doesn't tell you the # of diploma candidates or recipients.

Learn to read.

IB is not only about the IB Diploma.

[Anonymous]

I just don't understand why the eastern part of Fairfax County can't just have IB as a magnet program like the rest of the county does. Why would a poorer section of the county have MORE IB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"You have to look at how AP or IB is delivered in the individual school. A great deal of IB is based on pre-packaged content from the IBO that requires little individualized mentoring."

In IB the kids have to write, write, write. This can't be "pre-packaged". IB is completely focused on "individualized mentoring" and feedback on writing. This is why it's so successful at getting students to think. Or maybe you meant to write "AP"...

They can write all they want. It doesn't mean they know how to write, write anything of value, or receive much individual attention.

Just about all the best schools in NoVa are AP. You can keep your silly IB "programme" and call your kids "global citizens" all you want. They still attend sub-par schools that most people avoid if they have any better options.

Please stop demonstrating your failure of critical thinking. You are now putting down the IB kids without any evidence that they "write, write, write" nothing of value. Should we also say that the AP kids can take a bunch of multiple choice tests without actually demonstrating mastery of the material?

The IB program won't change those schools any more than putting AP there. It's not about IB vs AP. It is about SES. You can flip things around and put IB in Langley, Mclean, etc. - It won't make them any worse. The way FCPS implemented IB did a horrible disservice to both the IB program, and the lower performing schools where they implemented it. It gave a stigma to the whole program, and, through the "pupil placement" mechanism, allowed the "white flight" from the already challenged high schools. So I would agree that it should be implemented as a magnet, but I don't agree with trashing the program.

There are states like CA and FL where the IB program has much larger penetration. Their state schools offer significant scholarships and/or automatic admission to IB diploma candidates. They aren't stupid to do so, neither are the top schools who single out the IB diploma as a rigorous, well-established curriculum of study that evidences college readiness. You do you.

I know how FCPS has installed IB in some high schools but not others. I know IB from when I went to school in a smaller district where all HSes had both AP and IB. I knew the handful of kids who got an IB Diploma and I knew the many more students who took 3, 6+ AP classes. We all chose what we wanted. Very few people chose IB. That's not "stigma".

How many of the "many more students" received the AP Capstone diploma?

https://advancesinap.collegeboard.org/ap-capstone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I know how FCPS has installed IB in some high schools but not others. I know IB from when I went to school in a smaller district where all HSes had both AP and IB. I knew the handful of kids who got an IB Diploma and I knew the many more students who took 3, 6+ AP classes. We all chose what we wanted. Very few people chose IB. That's not "stigma".

How many of the "many more students" received the AP Capstone diploma?

https://advancesinap.collegeboard.org/ap-capstone

Sorry, I'm old. I graduated high school in the 90s. This Capstone program was launched in 2014.

[Anonymous]

I've read the thread and see why people prefer AP schools. More options, less prescriptive, and in place at the better schools. The IB defenders come across as ideologues fighting a losing battle, at least in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've read the thread and see why people prefer AP schools. More options, less prescriptive, and in place at the better schools. The IB defenders come across as ideologues fighting a losing battle, at least in FCPS.

And, our School Board is full of ideologues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's funny to read the same recycled posts from the IB boosters and then watch the AP schools come out on top again every year.

IB was placed primarily in the worst performing schools in the county, and you are bragging that they have not magically improved to compare to McLean, Langley, Madison, etc? Moron.

The more relevant point is that IB has been around in FCPS since the mid-90s, and the six top high schools (TJ, Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton and Woodson) have no interest in it. FCPS tried to convert Woodson to IB at one point and they said 'hell no."

Your expectations that somehow IB will drastically improve these schools is ridiculous.
You conveniently leave out the following AP schools in your NM semifinalist list:

West Springfield 2
Fairfax 1
Herndon 1
Stuart 1
Annandale 0
Falls Church 0
South County 0
West Potomac 0

These schools are the peers of most of the IB schools. Should we remove AP from these schools?

So IB is only great when compared to low performing schools?

Most IB schools were the lowest performers when IB was installed. What schools would you consider it fair to compare with?