JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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People make sweeping generalizations. We are IB for Janney and got a spot for pk4 this past year at an amazing charter. We are dedicated to the school and its community. We are in it for the long haul. Believe me, the commute sucks, but everything else about the school makes it worth the ride. So there is one K spot at Janney that won't be taken by an in bounds family.

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One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

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we bought in Upper NW five years ago, when we were priced out of Mt. Pleasant, the desirable parts of the Hill, U Street and Shaw

Where could this be? ^^^

Why do you need to know? Do you think I'm lying? There obviously weren't too many such opportunities available back then either, but they did exist during that phase after the 2008 crisis. Point being, you cannot generalize that anyone who owns a home and has small kids must have paid over 800K and be rich. There are small homes WOTP, some in crappy condition, and people on budgets equivalent to those of people EOTP have bought here. And even some of the people who did pay that much may be house poor, and it's not for anyone to judge whether or not they should have put themselves into that situation, and whether they must now suck up private preschool as well.

+1. We bought a fixer upper at the bottom of the market and have slowly been fixing ever since. Not everything in Ward 3 is above 800K. But like someone else wisely said, we do not need to explain ourselves. It is called PUBLIC school for a reason. All DC residents have access to it if they so wish. We all pay taxes. IB kids have preference, what do you care where I send my kids to school? If I drive from Palisades to Columbia Heights every morning is my problem.

I care because you are displacing student(s) and family(s) who could be making a long-term commitment to that school, which is the only way schools EOTP will improve. We need to minimize churn and school-hopping.

Just give it a rest. It's been explained to you over and over again why this complaint is neither valid nor actionable in any defensible way.

np here (well, I posted much eariler in this thread). I, along with others, do think it is a valid and defensible complaint. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Long-term impact on a neighborhood school is one of the things you should consider before you enroll yoru child for a year or two at a school. Our voices have also spoken out "over and over" in this thread too. You can't claim consensus. I did send my kid to private prek when I lived wotp.

I'm an EOTP parent at an EOTP DCPS, and my problem with this thread is the assumption that EOTP parents aren't doing this too. I know so many people who play the lottery and move after a year or two at their neighborhood school. The problem for neighborhood schools is not WOTP parents--it is that in an era of school choice, where it is relatively easy to move from one school to another, especially if you play the lottery year after year, people who are pretty happy with a school get into another by luck and go to that other school. That means that people who would be really committed to a neighborhood school are leaving because they get into a demonstrably better school.

I don't have any problem with people enrolling at our school from other parts of the city, even if they know it is just for a year or two, but I do wish that those people would be active in the PTA and in the school. I do feel like, because they know they are short-timers, they don't commit to our school in the way they will to their inbounds school.

The difference is that many EOTP parents who enroll his/her child WOULD stay if the experience was good enough (or as good as any JKLM school). They do school shop and hop around BECAUSE the experience isn't that good. That is not true for your wotp pk3 and pk4ers. They will not stay even if the school they OB into is fantastic because they have a fantastic school with a neighbrohood community (something our eotp school won't ever be able to offer them) beginning at K. I do think this is a moral issue. Not big case Moral, but lower case moral. I wouldn't do it.

There was also a JKLM poster on here who had lotteried into Lamb at pk3 two years ago and were wondering if they should stay for K or move back to their fantastic neighborhood school. They liked Lamb a lot, no problems there. To me that is also a moral issue. You shoudln't have lotteried for Lamb unelss you imtended to stay since Lamb can't fill a spot after pk4.

and why can't LAMB fill the space? That's a real stretch there

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

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we bought in Upper NW five years ago, when we were priced out of Mt. Pleasant, the desirable parts of the Hill, U Street and Shaw

Where could this be? ^^^

Why do you need to know? Do you think I'm lying? There obviously weren't too many such opportunities available back then either, but they did exist during that phase after the 2008 crisis. Point being, you cannot generalize that anyone who owns a home and has small kids must have paid over 800K and be rich. There are small homes WOTP, some in crappy condition, and people on budgets equivalent to those of people EOTP have bought here. And even some of the people who did pay that much may be house poor, and it's not for anyone to judge whether or not they should have put themselves into that situation, and whether they must now suck up private preschool as well.

+1. We bought a fixer upper at the bottom of the market and have slowly been fixing ever since. Not everything in Ward 3 is above 800K. But like someone else wisely said, we do not need to explain ourselves. It is called PUBLIC school for a reason. All DC residents have access to it if they so wish. We all pay taxes. IB kids have preference, what do you care where I send my kids to school? If I drive from Palisades to Columbia Heights every morning is my problem.

I care because you are displacing student(s) and family(s) who could be making a long-term commitment to that school, which is the only way schools EOTP will improve. We need to minimize churn and school-hopping.

Just give it a rest. It's been explained to you over and over again why this complaint is neither valid nor actionable in any defensible way.

np here (well, I posted much eariler in this thread). I, along with others, do think it is a valid and defensible complaint. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Long-term impact on a neighborhood school is one of the things you should consider before you enroll yoru child for a year or two at a school. Our voices have also spoken out "over and over" in this thread too. You can't claim consensus. I did send my kid to private prek when I lived wotp.

I'm an EOTP parent at an EOTP DCPS, and my problem with this thread is the assumption that EOTP parents aren't doing this too. I know so many people who play the lottery and move after a year or two at their neighborhood school. The problem for neighborhood schools is not WOTP parents--it is that in an era of school choice, where it is relatively easy to move from one school to another, especially if you play the lottery year after year, people who are pretty happy with a school get into another by luck and go to that other school. That means that people who would be really committed to a neighborhood school are leaving because they get into a demonstrably better school.

I don't have any problem with people enrolling at our school from other parts of the city, even if they know it is just for a year or two, but I do wish that those people would be active in the PTA and in the school. I do feel like, because they know they are short-timers, they don't commit to our school in the way they will to their inbounds school.

The difference is that many EOTP parents who enroll his/her child WOULD stay if the experience was good enough (or as good as any JKLM school). They do school shop and hop around BECAUSE the experience isn't that good. That is not true for your wotp pk3 and pk4ers. They will not stay even if the school they OB into is fantastic because they have a fantastic school with a neighbrohood community (something our eotp school won't ever be able to offer them) beginning at K. I do think this is a moral issue. Not big case Moral, but lower case moral. I wouldn't do it.

There was also a JKLM poster on here who had lotteried into Lamb at pk3 two years ago and were wondering if they should stay for K or move back to their fantastic neighborhood school. They liked Lamb a lot, no problems there. To me that is also a moral issue. You shoudln't have lotteried for Lamb unelss you imtended to stay since Lamb can't fill a spot after pk4.

and why can't LAMB fill the space? That's a real stretch there

they only take kids at pk3 and pk4

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

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What about a parent who enrolls a child in a charter that others would like to attend, knowing they they will play the lottery in subsequent years and will leave if they get into a "better" charter? Does that parent get to make that choice, one that is better for their family?

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

So you wish that they'd make their decisions on what you think is best for you, instead of what is best for their family. That pretty much amounts to wishing you had the power to determine their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:What about a parent who enrolls a child in a charter that others would like to attend, knowing they they will play the lottery in subsequent years and will leave if they get into a "better" charter? Does that parent get to make that choice, one that is better for their family?

Exactly. That's why casting this whole issue as one with people WOTP is so incredibly hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:What about a parent who enrolls a child in a charter that others would like to attend, knowing they they will play the lottery in subsequent years and will leave if they get into a "better" charter? Does that parent get to make that choice, one that is better for their family?

That's what we did. From day 1 knew we would move DD if the opportunity for our #1 choice came along and it did for PK4. We were 100% committed to the school while we were there, from volunteering for field trips, helping raise money, etc. Guess what? The school she we to for PK3 is getting along just fine without her.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

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we bought in Upper NW five years ago, when we were priced out of Mt. Pleasant, the desirable parts of the Hill, U Street and Shaw

Where could this be? ^^^

Why do you need to know? Do you think I'm lying? There obviously weren't too many such opportunities available back then either, but they did exist during that phase after the 2008 crisis. Point being, you cannot generalize that anyone who owns a home and has small kids must have paid over 800K and be rich. There are small homes WOTP, some in crappy condition, and people on budgets equivalent to those of people EOTP have bought here. And even some of the people who did pay that much may be house poor, and it's not for anyone to judge whether or not they should have put themselves into that situation, and whether they must now suck up private preschool as well.

+1. We bought a fixer upper at the bottom of the market and have slowly been fixing ever since. Not everything in Ward 3 is above 800K. But like someone else wisely said, we do not need to explain ourselves. It is called PUBLIC school for a reason. All DC residents have access to it if they so wish. We all pay taxes. IB kids have preference, what do you care where I send my kids to school? If I drive from Palisades to Columbia Heights every morning is my problem.

I care because you are displacing student(s) and family(s) who could be making a long-term commitment to that school, which is the only way schools EOTP will improve. We need to minimize churn and school-hopping.

Just give it a rest. It's been explained to you over and over again why this complaint is neither valid nor actionable in any defensible way.

np here (well, I posted much eariler in this thread). I, along with others, do think it is a valid and defensible complaint. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Long-term impact on a neighborhood school is one of the things you should consider before you enroll yoru child for a year or two at a school. Our voices have also spoken out "over and over" in this thread too. You can't claim consensus. I did send my kid to private prek when I lived wotp.

I'm an EOTP parent at an EOTP DCPS, and my problem with this thread is the assumption that EOTP parents aren't doing this too. I know so many people who play the lottery and move after a year or two at their neighborhood school. The problem for neighborhood schools is not WOTP parents--it is that in an era of school choice, where it is relatively easy to move from one school to another, especially if you play the lottery year after year, people who are pretty happy with a school get into another by luck and go to that other school. That means that people who would be really committed to a neighborhood school are leaving because they get into a demonstrably better school.

I don't have any problem with people enrolling at our school from other parts of the city, even if they know it is just for a year or two, but I do wish that those people would be active in the PTA and in the school. I do feel like, because they know they are short-timers, they don't commit to our school in the way they will to their inbounds school.

The difference is that many EOTP parents who enroll his/her child WOULD stay if the experience was good enough (or as good as any JKLM school). They do school shop and hop around BECAUSE the experience isn't that good. That is not true for your wotp pk3 and pk4ers. They will not stay even if the school they OB into is fantastic because they have a fantastic school with a neighbrohood community (something our eotp school won't ever be able to offer them) beginning at K. I do think this is a moral issue. Not big case Moral, but lower case moral. I wouldn't do it.

There was also a JKLM poster on here who had lotteried into Lamb at pk3 two years ago and were wondering if they should stay for K or move back to their fantastic neighborhood school. They liked Lamb a lot, no problems there. To me that is also a moral issue. You shoudln't have lotteried for Lamb unelss you imtended to stay since Lamb can't fill a spot after pk4.

You are fooling yourself if you think that the majority of EOTP parents who lottery into a school that isn't their first choice for PK3 are going in with an open mind, and not with the intention to play the lottery again the following year to see if they can get into a more desirable school. A great PK3 experience is not going to trump their concern with long-term educational offerings and test scores. So they will keep trying if they can do better. There isn't anything substantially different about that approach than that of WOTP parents who plan to join their IB school for K. The fact that you think so just shows that your "moral compass" on this is really just rooted in your resentment for people who are guaranteed a great option for K.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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I think this is where you are wrong. Most people don't judge a school by their prek3 experience, they make decisions based on the long-term perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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I think this is where you are wrong. Most people don't judge a school by their prek3 experience, they make decisions based on the long-term perspective.

Which is why JKLM should stay out of EOTP DCPS. Go charters all you want, but don't duck into our schools just to abandon them when you reach K. No matter how involved you were when you were there, we are better off without you and your spawn.