Ward 6 Middle Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree. What are the special interests that are keeping this from happening?

Having watched this for a while here is my opinion:

1) Stuart Hobson has a nice set up smack in the middle of Capitol Hill and won't give an inch. They have Watkins, LT and JO Wilson feeding as well as lots of interest from high functioning students coming from outside the feeder pattern and outside Ward 6. It works, it has worked for years, they are happy with the 3rd best middle school in the city moniker and with their acceptance rate at test in public high schools as well as private high schools. They have well worn political influence and are connected all through city government. They don't care at all about Eastern High School or a pathway there. Why mess with success? Meantime, the SH school boundary cuts an awkward swath across Capitol Hill--diagonal from the far corner near the McDonald's on PEnnsylvania Ave and 18th to over H street near JO Wilson. But it's a narrow band and slices Tyler and Brent into Jefferson and Payne and Maury into Eliot Hine ( both underenrolled )

2) No politician or city official can touch with a ten foot pole a plan that would appear to help, appease, attract, retain or otherwise benefit the white gentrifiers around Ward 6. Mark my words if this group of middle and upper class families were all african American ( rather than partly ) this would have already been solved. Witness test-in middle school slated for Ward 7 and honors programs in all-african American middle schools in Ward 8. This is the truthful politics of our city and it is an unspoken but powerful force behind Everything that happens or doesn't

You could always move into the Cluster boundary if you wanted. My feeling is that most people at Brent and Maury wouldn't want SH anyway, so what's all the fuss about?

Yeah, you may be right, but we do want their modernization money, their hegemonic geography, their political clout, and most importantly, the unifying effect and instant (as in one or two years) effect of concentrating much of Ward 6 into one middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A Brent mom actually asked me if I was going to send my kid to Watkins and then shuddered. With this attitude, why would any Brent parents want their kids to go to SH? Latin, Basis, or private seems much better.

If you read DCUM you'll see there appear to be two Brent schools of thought on SH. One takes your position (no one would EVER go there from Brent). The other seems perpetually pissed that they aren't feeding into SH. Not indicting anyone, just making an observation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

If you can't admit that race is a HUGE factor in DC politics, then your grasp on reality and truth are tenuous at best. Pointing out that race in DC is an enormous factor in how decisions are made i not racist. But subtlety seems to confuse you

[Anonymous]

Fair enough, if that "unifying" effect means that kids in the neighborhood actually ATTEND their neighborhood MS, then you're right.

They'll be fighting each other for seats at SH in 2 years, when Latin and Basis dry out as options and when the best plan proffered for EH/Jefferson is "make it work." Then what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

If you can't admit that race is a HUGE factor in DC politics, then your grasp on reality and truth are tenuous at best. Pointing out that race in DC is an enormous factor in how decisions are made i not racist. But subtlety seems to confuse you

I'm pretty our "You're Fox news loving a-holes!" friend wouldn't know subtlety if it ran over her with it's car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

No one argued that Bowser pulled funding from Ward 6 "because it is white" ( that's you getting fevered ). The point was that our political and educational leadership ( wells, allen, henderson, various DMEs ) are reluctant to support big plans that could be spun as privileging the already priveleged ( even if the net result would be a net positive for the city as a whole ). Very different. But it's that darn subtlety again. So hard for some people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fair enough, if that "unifying" effect means that kids in the neighborhood actually ATTEND their neighborhood MS, then you're right.

They'll be fighting each other for seats at SH in 2 years, when Latin and Basis dry out as options and when the best plan proffered for EH/Jefferson is "make it work." Then what?

If Hardy really turns around, if Brookland improves a bit more, if McFarland turns out not to be a unicorn, and if the other charter middle schools settle down a bit, will Latin and Basis really dry out as options?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

No one argued that Bowser pulled funding from Ward 6 "because it is white" ( that's you getting fevered ). The point was that our political and educational leadership ( wells, allen, henderson, various DMEs ) are reluctant to support big plans that could be spun as privileging the already priveleged ( even if the net result would be a net positive for the city as a whole ). Very different. But it's that darn subtlety again. So hard for some people

Before you try to teach subtlety please master the basics of the written, literal word and premise. The poster wrote:

2) No politician or city official can touch with a ten foot pole a plan that would appear to help, appease, attract, retain or otherwise benefit the white gentrifiers around Ward 6. Mark my words if this group of middle and upper class families were all african American ( rather than partly ) this would have already been solved. Witness test-in middle school slated for Ward 7 and honors programs in all-african American middle schools in Ward 8.

You seem otherwise reasonable. Why are you digging in in favor of this drivel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No one argued that Bowser pulled funding from Ward 6 "because it is white" ( that's you getting fevered ). The point was that our political and educational leadership ( wells, allen, henderson, various DMEs ) are reluctant to support big plans that could be spun as privileging the already priveleged ( even if the net result would be a net positive for the city as a whole ). Very different. But it's that darn subtlety again. So hard for some people

Is it really that big a gain for the whole city? According to many, there is such an influx of families wtih kids, that in order to make rowhouses affordable, it is necessary to ban condo conversions in rowhouse neighborhoods. That suggests to me that maybe making the rowhouse neighborhoods of DC (including Ward 6) even friendlier to high SES families is not such a priority.

[Anonymous]

^ It's not, I don't have Kaya's direct quote but I'm pretty sure it was something along the lines of "Let them go, more will fill their seats."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fair enough, if that "unifying" effect means that kids in the neighborhood actually ATTEND their neighborhood MS, then you're right.

They'll be fighting each other for seats at SH in 2 years, when Latin and Basis dry out as options and when the best plan proffered for EH/Jefferson is "make it work." Then what?

If Hardy really turns around, if Brookland improves a bit more, if McFarland turns out not to be a unicorn, and if the other charter middle schools settle down a bit, will Latin and Basis really dry out as options?

Hmm. Perhaps not, maybe Brookland and Hardy will fall ahead of SH in those lottery entries, but that still doesn't mean people want to put their 11-year-olds on a bus at 7 am and not see them again until 7pm.

[Anonymous]

Ummm... Yes. Fully enrolled, fully funded neighborhood middle school/s in Ward 6 then articulating with a fully enrolled and fully funded Eastern High School is of benefit to the city as a whole as well as all the kid's in those schools from all over the city

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

No one argued that Bowser pulled funding from Ward 6 "because it is white" ( that's you getting fevered ). The point was that our political and educational leadership ( wells, allen, henderson, various DMEs ) are reluctant to support big plans that could be spun as privileging the already priveleged ( even if the net result would be a net positive for the city as a whole ). Very different. But it's that darn subtlety again. So hard for some people

Before you try to teach subtlety please master the basics of the written, literal word and premise. The poster wrote:

2) No politician or city official can touch with a ten foot pole a plan that would appear to help, appease, attract, retain or otherwise benefit the white gentrifiers around Ward 6. Mark my words if this group of middle and upper class families were all african American ( rather than partly ) this would have already been solved. Witness test-in middle school slated for Ward 7 and honors programs in all-african American middle schools in Ward 8.

You seem otherwise reasonable. Why are you digging in in favor of this drivel?

YOU'RE The one fixating on it PP. Do you have any suggestions for us, beyond "deal with it racists!"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:-sigh- I'[m not the one making that argument PP. Someone else was, and yeah, I don't think it's entirely helpful, but at the same time, I DID just watch Bowser give a big f-you to the white wards who didn't vote for her so while I don't think it's as easy as "poor white guys" I also must acknowledge that there may be an element of NIMBY occurring in certain circles in this city that still gain their power from black voters and have no reservations abut cronyism.

Regardless, accusing me of being a Fox-news watching conservative bigot is making the point that this is what happens if you do anything in Ward 6 besides tow the line of gentrifer guilt publicly.

It's tired, you're tired. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion beyond you're haughty judgement, please go away. I doubt you're even a ward 6 parent.

It's what happens when you espouse race baiting arguments about getting screwed by the black power structure. That's a different thing from arguing about resourcing and continuing to invest in the ESs that are improving and could use a boost. You posted in support of the poor, downtrodden white guy. When you voluntarily lay down in the mud with pigs you get dirty. Ward 6 certainly got screwed. But it isn't because Ward 6 is white, it's because Ward 6 didn't vote for Bowser. To attach a racist undertone would be as crazy as Bowser's people claiming that Ward 6 didn't vote for her because she's black. I didn't vote for her because I didn't think she was qualified and she basically hid from public comment or debates so she wouldn't be exposed. See the symmetry there? Causation versus correlation.

When someone engages in racist nonsense and you agree with them because, other than the racist part, they are making good points then don't get upset when someone calls you out on it. When white people complain that the minorities have all the power and that they are victims of racist it's embarrassing. And I say that as a white parent in Ward 6! So we're clear on this (and by all means please review the postings), the first appearance of race in my post came after they alleged that white people were being victimized by the black power structure.

No one argued that Bowser pulled funding from Ward 6 "because it is white" ( that's you getting fevered ). The point was that our political and educational leadership ( wells, allen, henderson, various DMEs ) are reluctant to support big plans that could be spun as privileging the already priveleged ( even if the net result would be a net positive for the city as a whole ). Very different. But it's that darn subtlety again. So hard for some people

Before you try to teach subtlety please master the basics of the written, literal word and premise. The poster wrote:

2) No politician or city official can touch with a ten foot pole a plan that would appear to help, appease, attract, retain or otherwise benefit the white gentrifiers around Ward 6. Mark my words if this group of middle and upper class families were all african American ( rather than partly ) this would have already been solved. Witness test-in middle school slated for Ward 7 and honors programs in all-african American middle schools in Ward 8.

You seem otherwise reasonable. Why are you digging in in favor of this drivel?

Yes. Words denoting race were used. Nothing about Bowser or funding. A suggestion that racial politics are at play in response to a poster who asked why Ward 6 elementaries were not already all being fed to the same middle school when it seems on the surface to be an idea with merit.