Michael Jackson: Was he Innocent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. I was a kid when the trial in the early 2000s went down and my dad said the same thing, but my dad is a typical boomer male and said similarly about Woody Allen. I only remember this instance bc we were having dinner at my grandparents' house and they were convinced he did it and were absolutely gobsmacked my dad didn't agree with them.

I said in the other thread, MJ is a little before my time. When did he get weird? There are a lot of old interviews with him resurfacing bc of the movie and he seems normal through most of the 80s and then by the clips from the early 90s he's positively freakish. When did he start talking in that creepy little boy voice and decide that it was normal for little kids to be his best friends.

People started thinking he was weird in the late 80’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he was odd and had mental health struggles. I do not believe in my heart he was a pedophile. ( I am 53)

Really? I’m also 53 and believed he was guilty ever since the first accusations in the early 90’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, his estate has paid close to $50M in settlements. They wouldn’t have paid near this amount if there wasn’t evidence of his guilt. I guarantee these settlement agreements have confidentiality clauses.

How people ignore this is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously? You must not have read much about the allegations. A kid was able to draw a picture of the Vitilago markings on his penis. I don’t think he was evil but mentally ill. He was abused physically, mentally and sexually as a child and as a result didn’t know what being normal is.

I have never heard that he was abused sexually.

[Anonymous]

No.

I can't believe people still debate this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, his estate has paid close to $50M in settlements. They wouldn’t have paid near this amount if there wasn’t evidence of his guilt. I guarantee these settlement agreements have confidentiality clauses.

Wasn't the story that Michael wanted to go to trial but his management advised him to settle and make it go away?

Well he had to come up with some excuse for settling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like you're totally trolling here.

No, he's very guilty paid off at least 3 boys that we know of and a few boys were able to describe his messed up genitalia. Why would that be OP?

I think most of the posters who believe he is innocent aren’t old enough to remember all the allegations since the early 90’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, his estate has paid close to $50M in settlements. They wouldn’t have paid near this amount if there wasn’t evidence of his guilt. I guarantee these settlement agreements have confidentiality clauses.

Because I think some allegations are entirely true, like sleeping in the same bed as minor children. While that's not sexual abuse, it's hard to convince the public that there isn't something else he did with these kids. So he chose to settle instead of fighting, which I can understand.

What I do not know is whether there was actual abuse going on.

This I can’t understand, most normal people would rather go to jail than live forever under the cloud of suspicion of being a pedophile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he crossed the line allowing kids to sleep in bed with him. Not familiar with the details such as identifying information the kids knew.

I think if they were going after Michael Jackson, they should have gone after the kids' parents as well. Who the hell allows their young kids to sleep in the same bed as an unrelated male?

Do you really think he told the parents that he was going to sleep in the same bed as their kid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He grew up in a 2 bedroom house with 10-11 people. It’s normal that he slept in the same bed as his brothers and continued that routine in hotel rooms and on the road.

You’d be surprised how much childhood routines become desired by adults. He was known for even including Bubbles, the chimp in a crib in his house. He was called wacko Jacko because he was weird. I’m not sure if he was a child molestor. He comes off as asexual to me if anything. A real molestor wouldn’t be so obvious about their love of children because they don’t wanna be discovered. Most molestors operate in the shadows

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Agreed. Particularly that he comes off as asexual.

Starting around the mid 80’s most people assumed he was gay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just do not get dangerous or evil vibes from him. His soul was pure and sweet; it comes through in his music that feels divinely ordained.

He was not normal; he was an artistic genius.

And he was weird enough to convince himself that his sexual encounters with boys was pure and sweet as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he crossed the line allowing kids to sleep in bed with him. Not familiar with the details such as identifying information the kids knew.

I think if they were going after Michael Jackson, they should have gone after the kids' parents as well. Who the hell allows their young kids to sleep in the same bed as an unrelated male?

Do you really think he told the parents that he was going to sleep in the same bed as their kid?

He slept with the parents too. Michael’s bed was huge-the size of most bedrooms. Michael grew up with 8 siblings in a 2 bedroom home. He never slept alone or was used to having his own room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He grew up in a 2 bedroom house with 10-11 people. It’s normal that he slept in the same bed as his brothers and continued that routine in hotel rooms and on the road.

You’d be surprised how much childhood routines become desired by adults. He was known for even including Bubbles, the chimp in a crib in his house. He was called wacko Jacko because he was weird. I’m not sure if he was a child molestor. He comes off as asexual to me if anything. A real molestor wouldn’t be so obvious about their love of children because they don’t wanna be discovered. Most molestors operate in the shadows

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Agreed. Particularly that he comes off as asexual.

Starting around the mid 80’s most people assumed he was gay.

I think his religious background made it difficult. Jehovas witnesses don’t celebrate Christmas, halloween, or birthdays. He even had to put a disclaimer for the thriller video just for his mother because she thought it wasn’t was an occult/halloween themed video .

Perhaps this is why he was adamant about not having a childhood or maybe he was gay and didn’t know how to accept it so dealt with kids. Maybe he was touched by men in the industry as a child star and that confused him sexually.

We will never know the truth. Michael is someone who died with so many secrets. He should’ve written a memoir.

I recently heard Human Nature on the radio and I noticed these lines seem super queer:

I like livin' this way
I like lovin' this way
(That way) why? Oh, why?
(That way) why? Oh, why?
Looking out across the morning
The city's heart begins to beat
Reaching out, I touch her shoulder
I'm dreaming of the street
If they say why? (Why?) Why? (Why?)
Tell 'em that it's human nature
Why? (Why?) Why? (Why?) Does he do me that way?
If they say why? (Why?) Why? (Why?)
Ooh, tell 'em
Why? (Why?) Why? (Why?) Does he do me that way?

[Anonymous]

She thought it was an occult video**

The family is super religious due to the mother. Lisa Marie Presley says mj was a virgin at age 35. Latoya who posed for playboy said she was a virgin too which doesn’t make sense because she was married. She also claimed MJ did molest boys and her dad molested her too but she later retracted it and said her abusive husband forced her to say these things. Michael didn’t drink, go out, or party like normal men his age. He just hung around watching cartoons, making music, reading comic books, and playing pranks on people.

I wonder if he was on spectrum or something and that’s why he obsessed over plastic surgery and turning himself into Peter Pan. Somehow I think a real pedophile wouldn’t be so obvious as Michael was. Michael was completely oblivious to how he looked to the public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m inclined to believe so. Being an oddball doesn’t make you a predator.

He's guilty of being a self-confessed oddball. He's also guilty of being a predator. [b]He admitted to sleeping in the same bed as children as the highest form of love there is. Give me a break. Who does that??? With other people's kids???? Only a pedophile. He is guilty. His new movie and his adoring fans make me sick. What's next, a biopic about Jeffery Epstein that leaves out the young girls?

Pedophiles actually would never say that. Pedophiles come off like normal people on the outside not weirdos like Michael. They would never admit to sleeping in a bed with any child. Epstein was normal. Nobody would suspect he was a pedo with an island of underage girls.

Someone that would say it’s the highest form of love is a guy on the spectrum. Someone who would hang a baby from a balcony to greet the fans or dance on top of the limo for his fans during a court hearing is someone off his rocker. Someone who would change their race and tape their nose and get a cleft chin and wear wig and makeup is someone off their rocker. Michael needed a therapist. He lived in a fantasy land and wanted to become Peter Pan like he was dissociating and maladaptive daydreaming. People loved and fainted for Michael yet he wanted to become something else