Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

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Anonymous wrote:There are independent college counselors actively advising kids not to pull EA applications if accepted ED. They specifically tell the families that your school college counselor will not be able to see whether you pull the apps. If you get into a better school in EA, claim you had a change in circumstances (divorce, loss of job, ill parent need to be closer to home) and pull out of ED. This is 100% happening. IYKYK

So why not apply to the better school in ED? If you got in EA, you’d get in ED. Why apply ED to not your first choice?

Agree, and parent, kid and high school counselor need to sign an ED doc after admitted ED that will pull applications and decline apps, how can you get around that. My kid's private would NOT stand for that if all 3 parties signed the agreement!

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DS ED'd and his (private school) counselor did not pressure him to do so, he wanted to ED to his top choice.

If stars align, he'll accept the ED the minute it comes through.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

The same reason my kid got multiple postcards, letters, and posters from NYU, UNC (of all places, since they barely admit anyone from OOS), Harvard, Yale, and Columbia?

My DS toured NYU during junior year, and only received 2 or 3 mailings afterwards, a school where he had a plausible chance of admission.

Meanwhile, UChicago, where he had no chance, sent at least 15 postcards, if not 20.

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Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:The counselor, student, and parents signed a binding agreement.

Not legally binding

Unethical

Backing out of ED is not unethical. What's unethical is taking unrelated students in Sippenhaft to advance a system that ensures monopolies.

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Anonymous wrote:ED has to go. It used to be an option used by the very few kids who had an absolute 110% first choice AND could be confident about the strength of their high school record grades 9-11. I don’t know anyone from my private high school class (early 90’s) who ED’d anywhere. This was a high school filled with full pay kids, that sent a good-sized contingent to the Ivies, T-25’s and SLAC’s most years. Now ED has added another unnecessary layer of stress to an already stressful process and has become a too for colleges to game the rankings.

I did class of 1993. I probably should t have since I got no financial aid, but I really wanted to go to that school and I loved it.

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Anonymous wrote:Abolish ED, limit everyone to 10 applications, limit SAT/ACT sittings to 2, get rid of the “commitment” system for Division III athletics, and maybe that can go some ways in making the process the way it was circa 1990- not perfect but much more transparent (even without internet!) and less stressful.

Nope!! ED is a good thing, and helps ensure schools fill their freshman class exactly (not over, not under---both are bad for the school for the next 4 years)
If you don't like ED, don't do it. Just like you don't buy a BMW if you can only afford a KIA. It's a choice

It’s amazing how much all of you get off on thinking the people objecting aren’t as wealthy as you. You are showing your true and nasty colors.

Maybe you should actually read and grasp the posts?

The NPC tells you how much aid you can expect. That number does not change, regardless of whether a kid applies ED or RD. My DC applied ED and received financial aid, the same amount he would have received had he applied RD. The school was his first choice, so he applied. Why is that difficult to understand, or unfair? We ruled out ED schools that indicated we would receive no aid. You are free to do the same.

+1 I'm not sure why there is such a poor understanding of how financial aid works. You qualify for the same need-based aid regardless of when you apply. The NPC gives you the number. ED or not, the number does not change.

I am doubtful that your financial skills are as sharp as you think since your reading skills are so poor. Who do you think you are arguing with and what are they saying? The only people talking about financials affecting decision in this rolled up responses are the people patting themselves on the back.

Not really! Those who do not like ED or think it's unfair are typically in one category: Those who want to search for merit but also don't want to miss out on the slight advantage ED might provide.

it is perfectly fine to need to/want to compare merit offers from schools. But you have to be informed about how it works and understand that most T25 schools do NOT offer merit (sure Duke has 10-15 merit scholarships, but that's it for 2K freshman, so in reality, they do not really offer merit). So if the NPC says you owe Full pay that is what you owe. It's the same for ED as well as RD/EA.
So what those people really want is to see if the "next tier" of schools offers their kid good merit, and if it's a "good enough school with good enough merit to make it worthwhile attending" otherwise they are willing to find a way to be Full pay at the T25 that their kid really wants to attend.

Except that is not how ED works. If you want to compare offers then you have EA/RD as an option.

So yes, the only reason someone thinks ED is "unfair" is because of financials. But that is a "you choice". Everyone has the choice to accept the NPC for any school and apply ED (if it's an option). It helps both students and the schools.

Maybe you need to step back here. Colleges (nearly all of them) have non-profit status. This means that they are providing a service to society that justifies not taxing them.
In return, their practices have to be aligned with the goal our society is setting for itself.

A key goal is equality (that's equality before some people renamed it "equity"). It means equal chances for everyone. Creating a separate pool of applicants in ED, only to ensure the university has a leg up in the race to fill their seats, is a blatant violation of equality, and it is not only unethical, but it should be illegal, plain and simple.

If universities wish to engage in private contracts like ED demands, they should (a) write legal contracts with civil penalties and (b) abandon their non-profit status.

Otherwise, they are expected to abide by societal norms.

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Collective punishment works.

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Anonymous wrote:Collective punishment works.

It's also about the counselors at these high schools, who also signed the ED agreement. They should have ensured no rec letters or transcripts went out to support other applications.

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Honest question- what's the advantage to ED? Not on the kid but to the schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question- what's the advantage to ED? Not on the kid but to the schools?

100% yield of full pay kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question- what's the advantage to ED? Not on the kid but to the schools?

Money in hand before it goes somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Those schools should switch to common app. Common app doesn’t allow more than one ED.

I love ED and hope it lasts at least long enough for my second child! It’s a great option for kids not wanting to play the field. DD had a very realistic first choice and wanted an answer as soon as possible. It was great.

Oh, Common App is very easy to get around. You apply apply EA via the Common App and then just switch your "Decision Round" to ED in the school's portal. As you long as you can get a school counselor to sign the form, there is zero limit to the number of schools you can apply ED to.

"as long as" is doing a ton of work there. No way would our counselor do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question- what's the advantage to ED? Not on the kid but to the schools?

100% yield of full pay kids.

ED kids also get financial and merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

Tulane didn't do this to the junior class, the high school counselor did. The Junior class should demand that person be fired and that the school withhold the offending students' transcripts. Then maybe Tulane will be able to trust the school, take the school and its students at their word, and change course. No college wants to admit unethical people and if you are coming from an unethical high school, its a huge red flag.