Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

Tulane didn't do this to the junior class, the high school counselor did. The Junior class should demand that person be fired and that the school withhold the offending students' transcripts. Then maybe Tulane will be able to trust the school, take the school and its students at their word, and change course. No college wants to admit unethical people and if you are coming from an unethical high school, its a huge red flag.

I'm not sure why people are blaming Tulane for enforcing its rules. At least they're being transparent about it. What's the point of binding ED if the students are just going to take the advantage of being admitted ED while also going to the best school/taking the best offer they get (the reason most kids don't apply ED in the first place).

Let me make this clear. If by chance it was the student who was in the wrong then punish the student, not the innocent ones who had nothing to do with this! Disgusting move by Tulane.

If the student wasn't in "the wrong," the private school can clearly contest its ban. But since the Colorado Academy guidance counselor was asking other guidance counselors "how to deal with this" rather than saying that Tulane's assertions were false, it doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't know how you suggest Tulane "punish the student." Clearly the action Tulane is able to take that's within its powers as a university is to ban other kids from that school from doing ED for one year. You can suggest others, but I would suggest the university has thought more about this than you have. And as others have said upthread, these private school kids can still apply EA or RD if they want.

This seems the appropriate punishment as the school counselor was a signatory to the agreement, and facilitated the kid breaking it by providing transcript, etc .. . to the college the kid is attending. It’s impossible for Tulane to punish the kid directly.

A transcript though is an educational record that belongs to the student. A school counselor can’t legally withhold it.

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Anonymous wrote:No one takes Tulane seriously as a school.

Maybe. But at least Tulane is being straightforward about why they are not taking students from certain high schools. Meanwhile, people are mystified why Duke, Penn, and Vanderbilt aren't taking anyone form their high schools. It's likely the same reason - some scummy families and high school counselors that wrecked things for everyone else. But that's all hush hush and no one knows why their high schools are being blacklisted and no one gets in anymore. Good for Tulane for being direct and encouraging high schools to be honest.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Tulane has no application fee, so they aren’t harvesting fees. If applicants really wanted Tulane, they would realize within about 5 minutes of research on their website, that you need to apply Early Action (non-binding) or ED (binding). They tell you point blank that RD is almost impossible. You are ignoring the non-binding EA option. They do let in a lot kids EA. My kid was one!

Anyone know Tulane’s acceptance rates EA vs.ED?

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

Tulane didn't do this to the junior class, the high school counselor did. The Junior class should demand that person be fired and that the school withhold the offending students' transcripts. Then maybe Tulane will be able to trust the school, take the school and its students at their word, and change course. No college wants to admit unethical people and if you are coming from an unethical high school, its a huge red flag.

I'm not sure why people are blaming Tulane for enforcing its rules. At least they're being transparent about it. What's the point of binding ED if the students are just going to take the advantage of being admitted ED while also going to the best school/taking the best offer they get (the reason most kids don't apply ED in the first place).

Let me make this clear. If by chance it was the student who was in the wrong then punish the student, not the innocent ones who had nothing to do with this! Disgusting move by Tulane.

If the student wasn't in "the wrong," the private school can clearly contest its ban. But since the Colorado Academy guidance counselor was asking other guidance counselors "how to deal with this" rather than saying that Tulane's assertions were false, it doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't know how you suggest Tulane "punish the student." Clearly the action Tulane is able to take that's within its powers as a university is to ban other kids from that school from doing ED for one year. You can suggest others, but I would suggest the university has thought more about this than you have. And as others have said upthread, these private school kids can still apply EA or RD if they want.

This seems the appropriate punishment as the school counselor was a signatory to the agreement, and facilitated the kid breaking it by providing transcript, etc .. . to the college the kid is attending. It’s impossible for Tulane to punish the kid directly.

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All Tulane can do is inform any other school the kid will attend about the student's lack of morals/ethics.

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Anonymous wrote:What if this student applied to another school ED1 was deferred and then applied ED2 to Tulane. The HS would send all transcripts and rec letters to all the school they applied to before Jan 1. Then in April the ED1 school took them RD or off the waitlist because the student did not pull it applications after getting accepted from Tulane. What wad the High school supposed to do?

Verify that the student pulled their ED1 application before sending the ED2 transcript/details

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Anonymous wrote:I am fine with Tulane doing this. Seriously, all the kid had to do was make up some reason and send it via email. I wish there is a way for the kid to be punished too.

+1 Same here. It's not like this Colorado private school can't have its kids accepted at all. It's just that they can't apply ED. For 1 year. This is hardly a tragedy. The NYT article even talks about how the guidance counselor is advising students to say "I would have applied ED if I could" in their essays. So they don't have the binding constraint of ED but can still claim it's their "first choice."

Yes, but if you know anything about Tulane admissions, you know that kids rarely get in unless they ED1 or ED2. There are something like 50 or fewer RD admits in a class of about 2000.

Tulane lets in a fair number of kids EA. It has gotten larger the last 3 cycles.

The PP quoting the 50 kid stat was wrong about their knowledge of Tulane admissions. The NY Times article said :

About two-thirds of the more than 1,800 freshmen in the class were admitted through early decision, and only 106 with regular decisions, according to a report by Inside Higher Ed. (Others got in through early action, a preferential way to apply without committing to enrolling.)

And not doing EA if a school has it is beyond stupid. Same applies to many many schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What if this student applied to another school ED1 was deferred and then applied ED2 to Tulane. The HS would send all transcripts and rec letters to all the school they applied to before Jan 1. Then in April the ED1 school took them RD or off the waitlist because the student did not pull it applications after getting accepted from Tulane. What wad the High school supposed to do?

Verify that the student pulled their ED1 application before sending the ED2 transcript/details

If you are deferred, I am pretty confident the ED contract is no long binding. Someone know for sure?

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Anonymous wrote:What if this student applied to another school ED1 was deferred and then applied ED2 to Tulane. The HS would send all transcripts and rec letters to all the school they applied to before Jan 1. Then in April the ED1 school took them RD or off the waitlist because the student did not pull it applications after getting accepted from Tulane. What wad the High school supposed to do?

Verify that the student pulled their ED1 application before sending the ED2 transcript/details

If you are deferred, I am pretty confident the ED contract is no long binding. Someone know for sure?

NP. Yes, that's correct. If you are not admitted in the ED round, you are not bound. If you are deferred to RD, you become like any other RD applicant.

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Why don’t colleges change the ED paperwork to include a disclaimer that in order to apply ED, signatories must agree to the following:

1) Students automatically grant permission for the college to inform their guidance counselors of their ED acceptance

2) Students automatically grant their guidance counselors permission to disclose their ED acceptance to all other schools to whom transcripts have been sent

3) Counselors automatically agree to update all other schools to which they’ve submitted transcripts that the student was accepted via ED to another institution

Why do they rely on people being honest? No one has to apply ED. Apply EA or RD if you want to maintain your privacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

Looked at the school profile and this must be a big deal for them. Tulane is one of the most popular colleges for Colorado Academy. A few other colleges at 12 enrolled and then only Colorado above that in terms of enrollment.

For them to take this step, I’m guessing it was a more systemic issue than just one kid.

Our friends' kids go to this school. It is not systemic. It was not on the school. It was a choice of one family. The school and the counselor can do all the right things and yet still not be able to control the actions of an individual family, especially when EA and ED applications all have similar due dates and all app materials are turned in at the same time and offers are made on a similar timeline. It only affects the current seniors and per what my friend reports, this is a topic of serious discussion between the school and the families of current seniors. It sounds like the school is handling this with grace and is appreciative that Tulane notified them of the penalty so that they can encourage students to use their ED application opportunities on other schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

Tulane didn't do this to the junior class, the high school counselor did. The Junior class should demand that person be fired and that the school withhold the offending students' transcripts. Then maybe Tulane will be able to trust the school, take the school and its students at their word, and change course. No college wants to admit unethical people and if you are coming from an unethical high school, its a huge red flag.

I'm not sure why people are blaming Tulane for enforcing its rules. At least they're being transparent about it. What's the point of binding ED if the students are just going to take the advantage of being admitted ED while also going to the best school/taking the best offer they get (the reason most kids don't apply ED in the first place).

Let me make this clear. If by chance it was the student who was in the wrong then punish the student, not the innocent ones who had nothing to do with this! Disgusting move by Tulane.

If the student wasn't in "the wrong," the private school can clearly contest its ban. But since the Colorado Academy guidance counselor was asking other guidance counselors "how to deal with this" rather than saying that Tulane's assertions were false, it doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't know how you suggest Tulane "punish the student." Clearly the action Tulane is able to take that's within its powers as a university is to ban other kids from that school from doing ED for one year. You can suggest others, but I would suggest the university has thought more about this than you have. And as others have said upthread, these private school kids can still apply EA or RD if they want.

This seems the appropriate punishment as the school counselor was a signatory to the agreement, and facilitated the kid breaking it by providing transcript, etc .. . to the college the kid is attending. It’s impossible for Tulane to punish the kid directly.

A transcript though is an educational record that belongs to the student. A school counselor can’t legally withhold it.

Sure they can. Rules are once you apply ED and get accepted, they can only send things to the ED school, unless you provide proof that you legally/ethically backed out. All the kid needed to do in the Tulane example was provide a reason to Tulane-- state "family financials have changed", but basically let them know. Not doing anything is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t colleges change the ED paperwork to include a disclaimer that in order to apply ED, signatories must agree to the following:

1) Students automatically grant permission for the college to inform their guidance counselors of their ED acceptance

2) Students automatically grant their guidance counselors permission to disclose their ED acceptance to all other schools to whom transcripts have been sent

3) Counselors automatically agree to update all other schools to which they’ve submitted transcripts that the student was accepted via ED to another institution

Why do they rely on people being honest? No one has to apply ED. Apply EA or RD if you want to maintain your privacy.

This is what should happen. Providing all other schools the details that a kid was accepted ED is key. Don't do ED unless you are willing to accept the NPC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

Looked at the school profile and this must be a big deal for them. Tulane is one of the most popular colleges for Colorado Academy. A few other colleges at 12 enrolled and then only Colorado above that in terms of enrollment.

For them to take this step, I’m guessing it was a more systemic issue than just one kid.

Our friends' kids go to this school. It is not systemic. It was not on the school. It was a choice of one family. The school and the counselor can do all the right things and yet still not be able to control the actions of an individual family, especially when EA and ED applications all have similar due dates and all app materials are turned in at the same time and offers are made on a similar timeline. It only affects the current seniors and per what my friend reports, this is a topic of serious discussion between the school and the families of current seniors. It sounds like the school is handling this with grace and is appreciative that Tulane notified them of the penalty so that they can encourage students to use their ED application opportunities on other schools.

Gosh I live in Denver and find CA to be filled to the brim with entitled parents. Nice of the school to take it on the chin for their wealthy entitled student body and the parents who enable them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tulane getting huffy and punishing so many other students from this high school is childish and unethical.

Not that Tulane interests me, but now we have one less reason to consider it.

Tulane didn't do this to the junior class, the high school counselor did. The Junior class should demand that person be fired and that the school withhold the offending students' transcripts. Then maybe Tulane will be able to trust the school, take the school and its students at their word, and change course. No college wants to admit unethical people and if you are coming from an unethical high school, its a huge red flag.

I'm not sure why people are blaming Tulane for enforcing its rules. At least they're being transparent about it. What's the point of binding ED if the students are just going to take the advantage of being admitted ED while also going to the best school/taking the best offer they get (the reason most kids don't apply ED in the first place).

Let me make this clear. If by chance it was the student who was in the wrong then punish the student, not the innocent ones who had nothing to do with this! Disgusting move by Tulane.

If the student wasn't in "the wrong," the private school can clearly contest its ban. But since the Colorado Academy guidance counselor was asking other guidance counselors "how to deal with this" rather than saying that Tulane's assertions were false, it doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't know how you suggest Tulane "punish the student." Clearly the action Tulane is able to take that's within its powers as a university is to ban other kids from that school from doing ED for one year. You can suggest others, but I would suggest the university has thought more about this than you have. And as others have said upthread, these private school kids can still apply EA or RD if they want.

This seems the appropriate punishment as the school counselor was a signatory to the agreement, and facilitated the kid breaking it by providing transcript, etc .. . to the college the kid is attending. It’s impossible for Tulane to punish the kid directly.

A transcript though is an educational record that belongs to the student. A school counselor can’t legally withhold it.

Sure they can. Rules are once you apply ED and get accepted, they can only send things to the ED school, unless you provide proof that you legally/ethically backed out. All the kid needed to do in the Tulane example was provide a reason to Tulane-- state "family financials have changed", but basically let them know. Not doing anything is wrong.

The fact that the record belongs to the student is still the core point. The student doesn’t forfeit ownership based on any college or third party agreement. The counselor has no ownership of the record.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting read.

You can tell from the profiles of schools like the private Colorado Academy just how advantageous to the wealthy ED is. Virtually every one of the profiles of these schools report the same pattern—many graduates enrolling in second tier expensive privates more than anywhere else. In this school’s case, you see 12 enrolled at Tulane in the last 4 years, and you just know they’re all ED.

Also noteworthy that the school had 11 enroll at UVA and zero at UMD in the same time period. Clearly one has the national reach and reputation that the other lacks, the protests on this board notwithstanding.

Looked at the school profile and this must be a big deal for them. Tulane is one of the most popular colleges for Colorado Academy. A few other colleges at 12 enrolled and then only Colorado above that in terms of enrollment.

For them to take this step, I’m guessing it was a more systemic issue than just one kid.

Our friends' kids go to this school. It is not systemic. It was not on the school. It was a choice of one family. The school and the counselor can do all the right things and yet still not be able to control the actions of an individual family, especially when EA and ED applications all have similar due dates and all app materials are turned in at the same time and offers are made on a similar timeline. It only affects the current seniors and per what my friend reports, this is a topic of serious discussion between the school and the families of current seniors. It sounds like the school is handling this with grace and is appreciative that Tulane notified them of the penalty so that they can encourage students to use their ED application opportunities on other schools.

Gosh I live in Denver and find CA to be filled to the brim with entitled parents. Nice of the school to take it on the chin for their wealthy entitled student body and the parents who enable them.

Thanks for resuscitating a month-old thread to tell us that you find a state of 40 million people to have entitled parents. Super useful!