is RKFJr's "Tylenol(TM) causes autism" just a shakedown for extortion money from the company?

[Anonymous]

The Supreme Court has basically said that whatever Trump does as president can't be held against him. Can the makers of Tylenol sue him? Would it do any good? Tylenol is no longer part of J&J, but I'd sue RFKjr tomorrow morning.

[Anonymous]

RFK Jr. is set to announce
Tylenol causes autism.
And then he'll push the "cure": leucovorin (folinic acid).
Who sells folinic acid?
Dr. Oz's supplement company, iHerb.
The same Dr. Oz who is now the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in Trump's administration.
Think about that: A government health official tied to the very supplement company that benefits from RFK Jr's bogus "cure."
This isn't public health.
It's corruption dressed up as wellness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court has basically said that whatever Trump does as president can't be held against him. Can the makers of Tylenol sue him? Would it do any good? Tylenol is no longer part of J&J, but I'd sue RFKjr tomorrow morning.

He only has immunity did presidential acts
They can sue him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, it's not a shakedown.
RFK Jr is a zealot and absolutely believes in what he's doing. He's not through. It's going to get weirder and more draconian.

No he makes a lot of money off of this.

[Anonymous]

The grossest timeline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, in a few years, insurance companies will deny all autism coverage by saying they shouldn’t have to pay for treatments because mom intentionally gave her kid autism by taking Tylenol. Mothers of autistic kids will be pariahs.

What will they do with me? I have fraternal twins. One has autism and the other is neurotypical. Did all of the Tylenol only go to one baby?

I’m also an autism parent. I hope your family is doing well and that you all are hanging in there. I say this with respect and compassion, but it’s odd to me that your experience leads you to parody people positing an environmental component. Plenty of people will say that autism “is genetic,” insinuating (or even outright saying) that whether a child has autism follows ineluctably from that child’s genes, when, in fact, the experience of twins (including monozygotic twins) shows that it surely is much more complicated than that.

Bleach. Trump basically told us to inject bleach for Covid. How can you take this seriously?

I’m the person you’ve quoted. None of this research is new. I’ve known about folinic acid for well over a year. People like you who are stigmatizing legitimate scientific research aimed at a vulnerable community simply because you hate Trump or RFK are not the good guys.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, in a few years, insurance companies will deny all autism coverage by saying they shouldn’t have to pay for treatments because mom intentionally gave her kid autism by taking Tylenol. Mothers of autistic kids will be pariahs.

What will they do with me? I have fraternal twins. One has autism and the other is neurotypical. Did all of the Tylenol only go to one baby?

I’m also an autism parent. I hope your family is doing well and that you all are hanging in there. I say this with respect and compassion, but it’s odd to me that your experience leads you to parody people positing an environmental component. Plenty of people will say that autism “is genetic,” insinuating (or even outright saying) that whether a child has autism follows ineluctably from that child’s genes, when, in fact, the experience of twins (including monozygotic twins) shows that it surely is much more complicated than that.

Bleach. Trump basically told us to inject bleach for Covid. How can you take this seriously?

I’m the person you’ve quoted. None of this research is new. I’ve known about folinic acid for well over a year. People like you who are stigmatizing legitimate scientific research aimed at a vulnerable community simply because you hate Trump or RFK are not the good guys.

It depends on what qualifies as "legitimate scientific research." Yes, there are a few very small studies, with inconsistent results, without any being replicated, and using different doses. That means they are not appropriate for drawing substantive conclusions, but they are appropriate for generating hypotheses for further testing.

Legitimate scientific research isn't going to be drawing conclusions from them. If "legitimate scientific research" does do that, then it isn't legitimate and should be stigmatized.

[Anonymous]

The JAMA study only looked at risk during pregnancy. There is more than one study that found an increased risk with Tylenol given after delivery to infants and children.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5536672/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5044872/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10915458/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7017213/

Anecdotally, sample size of 1- I know someone who gave their baby Tylenol probably twice a day for nearly a year for "teething"... the child turned out severely autistic. Who knows if that was the cause, but I can't help but wonder whenever I see the child.

[Anonymous]

P: ^^DP, not the person to whom you were just responding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This presentation is simply an embarrassment.

He couldn’t pronounce the words

OMG this is so much worse than I imagined when I saw your post.

Unbelievably moronic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The JAMA study only looked at risk during pregnancy. There is more than one study that found an increased risk with Tylenol given after delivery to infants and children.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5536672/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5044872/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10915458/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7017213/

Anecdotally, sample size of 1- I know someone who gave their baby Tylenol probably twice a day for nearly a year for "teething"... the child turned out severely autistic. Who knows if that was the cause, but I can't help but wonder whenever I see the child.

The first one you list isn't even a study, as it was called by you. It's a review article of theories.

Did you read these studies, or are you just googling things and listing them without bothering to analyze them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So, in a few years, insurance companies will deny all autism coverage by saying they shouldn’t have to pay for treatments because mom intentionally gave her kid autism by taking Tylenol. Mothers of autistic kids will be pariahs.

What will they do with me? I have fraternal twins. One has autism and the other is neurotypical. Did all of the Tylenol only go to one baby?

I’m also an autism parent. I hope your family is doing well and that you all are hanging in there. I say this with respect and compassion, but it’s odd to me that your experience leads you to parody people positing an environmental component. Plenty of people will say that autism “is genetic,” insinuating (or even outright saying) that whether a child has autism follows ineluctably from that child’s genes, when, in fact, the experience of twins (including monozygotic twins) shows that it surely is much more complicated than that.

You’re making my point. We haven’t pinpointed the exact cause(s) of autism. It’s so much more complicated than whether mom took Tylenol during pregnancy. They have no peer reviewed research that backs up their premise. This press conference was a bunch of misleading malarkey.

There are women who are pregnant right now, who took Tylenol yesterday or last week or last month and these nincompoops are frightening those women unnecessarily. What the Trump administration is doing is so wrong.

[Anonymous]

The third is also a review article, not a research study.

The fourth based on a self-report internet study online.

Well, I guess that tells anyone familiar with research all that you need to know about this response.

[Anonymous]

Grifters are going to grift. This is who they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, in a few years, insurance companies will deny all autism coverage by saying they shouldn’t have to pay for treatments because mom intentionally gave her kid autism by taking Tylenol. Mothers of autistic kids will be pariahs.

What will they do with me? I have fraternal twins. One has autism and the other is neurotypical. Did all of the Tylenol only go to one baby?

I’m also an autism parent. I hope your family is doing well and that you all are hanging in there. I say this with respect and compassion, but it’s odd to me that your experience leads you to parody people positing an environmental component. Plenty of people will say that autism “is genetic,” insinuating (or even outright saying) that whether a child has autism follows ineluctably from that child’s genes, when, in fact, the experience of twins (including monozygotic twins) shows that it surely is much more complicated than that.

You’re making my point. We haven’t pinpointed the exact cause(s) of autism. It’s so much more complicated than whether mom took Tylenol during pregnancy. They have no peer reviewed research that backs up their premise. This press conference was a bunch of misleading malarkey.

There are women who are pregnant right now, who took Tylenol yesterday or last week or last month and these nincompoops are frightening those women unnecessarily. What the Trump administration is doing is so wrong.

You don’t need to pinpoint causes to discuss them. There are surely multiple causes. They should all be identified. I’m sure this is frightening to some parents, but if it is scientifically valid, it should come out.