is RKFJr's "Tylenol(TM) causes autism" just a shakedown for extortion money from the company?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 1980, autism was 2 per 10,000 births

In 2024, autism is 1 per 12 births

Not a shakedown OP.

We have waaaay more broad clinical diagnosis criteria, that does not mean the underlying rate truly changed.

[Anonymous]

The DSM-III was published in 1980.

DSM III (1980)
Diagnostic criteria for Infantile Autism
[Infantile form is the only one that can be diagnosed as autism]

A. Onset before 30 months of age

B. Pervasive lack of responsiveness to other people (autism)

C. Gross deficits in language development

D. If speech is present, peculiar speech patterns such as immediate and delayed echolalia, metaphorical language, pronominal reversal.

E. Bizarre responses to various aspects of the environment, e.g., resistance to change, peculiar interest in or attachments to animate or inanimate objects.

F. Absence of delusions, hallucinations, loosening of associations, and incoherence as in Schizophrenia.

The DSM-V was published in 2013. It folds in the "milder" diagnosis of "Asperger Syndrome" and others, now all under the umbrella of "Autism Spectrum Disorder."

To meet diagnostic criteria for ASD according to DSM-5, a child must have persistent deficits in each of three areas of social communication and interaction (see A.1. through A.3. below) plus at least two of four types of restricted, repetitive behaviors (see B.1. through B.4. below).

A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions

2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication

3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers

Specify current severity:

Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior. For either criterion, severity is described in 3 levels:[A]

Level 3 – requires very substantial support
Level 2 – Requires substantial support
Level 1 – requires support

B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).

2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).

3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).

4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).

Specify current severity:

Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior. For either criterion, severity is described in 3 levels:[A]

Level 3 – requires very substantial support
Level 2 – Requires substantial support
Level 1 – requires support

C. Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).

D. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.

E. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.

Note:

Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Individuals who have marked deficits in social communication, but whose symptoms do not otherwise meet criteria for autism spectrum disorder, should be evaluated for social (pragmatic) communication disorder.
Specify if:

With or without accompanying intellectual impairment
With or without accompanying language impairment
Associated with a known medical or genetic condition or environmental factor
Coding note: Use additional code to identify the associated medical or genetic condition.
Associated with another neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder
Coding note: Use additional code[s] to identify the associated neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder[s].
With catatonia (refer to the criteria for catatonia associated with another mental disorder
Coding note: Use additional code 293.89 catatonia associated with autism spectrum disorder to indicate the presence of the comorbid catatonia.

https://pages.uoregon.edu/eherman/teaching/texts/DSM-I%20-%20DSM-IV%20diagnostic%20criteria.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/hcp/diagnosis/index.html

PP finds it an absolute mystery why someone would criticize them for comparing numbers across such disparate sets of criteria. A mystery. Why would that have any effect?

This is exactly why people should have to pass a test on basic science information and analysis to sit on juries deciding these things.

[Anonymous]

Recent U.S. data shows that autism is roughly 3.4 to 4 times more prevalent in boys than in girls, with rates such as 1 in 31 for all children (as of 2022), or approximately 1 in 20 for males and 1 in 60 for females.

Far more prevelent than 1980 and if Tylenol is the culprit, ban it! Thanks rfkjr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recent U.S. data shows that autism is roughly 3.4 to 4 times more prevalent in boys than in girls, with rates such as 1 in 31 for all children (as of 2022), or approximately 1 in 20 for males and 1 in 60 for females.

Far more prevelent than 1980 and if Tylenol is the culprit, ban it! Thanks rfkjr.

If your mama is the culprit, ban her!

We have just as much evidence for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Recent U.S. data shows that autism is roughly 3.4 to 4 times more prevalent in boys than in girls, with rates such as 1 in 31 for all children (as of 2022), or approximately 1 in 20 for males and 1 in 60 for females.

Far more prevelent than 1980 and if Tylenol is the culprit, ban it! Thanks rfkjr.

That's not a citation, PP. Do you need help with how to use Google? Should I summon Clippy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 1980, autism was 2 per 10,000 births

In 2024, autism is 1 per 12 births

Not a shakedown OP.

There is nothing to conclude from this statistic.

Better diagnosis. Check.
Increasing levels of microplastics in every human body. Check.
The appallingly terrible-processed-food American diet. Check.
Roundup (glyphosate) in every single American brain and body. Check.
Vaccines? Maybe as a small part of the chemical stew in America's children's bodies.
Tylenol? Huh? Maybe something that wandered into wormbrain's head?

As an aside, may I add that I agree 100% with Kennedy's push to get chemicals out of the American food supply. That is important and admirable, and I support it completely.

The rest of his nonsense, uh, no.

[Anonymous]

I hope Tylenol sues the living daylights out of RFK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 1980, autism was 2 per 10,000 births

In 2024, autism is 1 per 12 births

Not a shakedown OP.

And this is entirely and exclusively the fault of Tylenol?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope Tylenol sues the living daylights out of RFK.

Someone slide them a business card for the Mouse's lawyers.

[Anonymous]

RFK Jr caused Kenvue's stock to drop 10% just by claiming Tylenol causes autism. I'm sure he will drop more on companies each time he's on TV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RFK Jr caused Kenvue's stock to drop 10% just by claiming Tylenol causes autism. I'm sure he will drop more on companies each time he's on TV.

Trump's tariffs, RFKJr's shakedowns -- how much more corrupt can this administration get? Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1980, autism was 2 per 10,000 births

In 2024, autism is 1 per 12 births

Not a shakedown OP.

Now compare the diagnostic criteria at each year. Double dog dare you.

Can you even cite the difference?

Have you ever noticed how many more personality disorders we have now as compared to several hundred years ago?? Clearly an epidemic!


In other news, possessions and witchcraft cases are WAY down.

Yeah, PP ever hear of a changeling? This is an old story even if language isn't consistent. Parents see endless potential when the infant is a sleeping lump. So much so that when milestones are missed and they worry, the first thought is there must have been a switch. We used to blame literal ogres actually switching babies now its pharma and vaccines tripping a switch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope Tylenol sues the living daylights out of RFK.

I want to know who shorted Bristol Myers Squibb before this went out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Tylenol sues the living daylights out of RFK.

I want to know who shorted Bristol Myers Squibb before this went out.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 1980, autism was 2 per 10,000 births

In 2024, autism is 1 per 12 births

Not a shakedown OP.

And this is entirely and exclusively the fault of Tylenol?

+1 If anything acetaminophen use has lessened due to ibuprofen.