An insane surrogacy story

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

You're a racist a**hole and a malignant liar. Having a biracial child doesn't make you white trash, and there's zero information in the Wired article about the surrogate falsifying expenses and they clearly state there's no evidence that the surrogate was out partying with her boyfriend on NY Eve beyond Bi's accusation.

NP. The information about the falsified expenses is in the complaint. GC was billing the IPs for $150/week for a cleaning service, when she was just giving the money to her boyfriend.

You don’t understand what allegations in a complaint actually are. They aren’t ironclad truths, particularly from a lunatic that has burned through several lawyers and now has an ambulance chaser on contingency.

Neither are things written in a one-sided article by an author with an axe to grind.

What's your evidence that the Wired author has an axe to grind? It's rarely in an author's interest (particularly one based in Sillicon Valley) to defend a powerless person against the accusations of a wealthy venture capitalist who has been very vocal about their interest in suing so many people in their orbit.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

You're a racist a**hole and a malignant liar. Having a biracial child doesn't make you white trash, and there's zero information in the Wired article about the surrogate falsifying expenses and they clearly state there's no evidence that the surrogate was out partying with her boyfriend on NY Eve beyond Bi's accusation.

NP. The information about the falsified expenses is in the complaint. GC was billing the IPs for $150/week for a cleaning service, when she was just giving the money to her boyfriend.

You don’t understand what allegations in a complaint actually are. They aren’t ironclad truths, particularly from a lunatic that has burned through several lawyers and now has an ambulance chaser on contingency.

DP. Of course.

But it doesn’t take a grand jury to figure out that the surrogate likely submitted bogus reimbursement requests. A non existent cleaning company that has only one client, the surrogate? Who charges $150/week for a 2 bed/2 bath apartment?

I fear this is common sense.

Uh, I paid something similar to that ten years ago for a 2 bed/bath.

Ok cool. So you think the surrogate’s receipts are valid? What about the fact that the company was non existent and the invoices were created by the surrogates ex bf?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

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Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

The surrogate LEFT THE HOSPITAL while she was supposed to be on bedrest following an apparent rupture of her membranes. Are you suggesting that did not contribute to the stillbirth?

The surrogate was given clearance by her doctor to briefly leave and take care of some practical matters for her long hospital stay. If the doctors hadn’t agreed it would be all over the chart that she left ama.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

You're a racist a**hole and a malignant liar. Having a biracial child doesn't make you white trash, and there's zero information in the Wired article about the surrogate falsifying expenses and they clearly state there's no evidence that the surrogate was out partying with her boyfriend on NY Eve beyond Bi's accusation.

NP. The information about the falsified expenses is in the complaint. GC was billing the IPs for $150/week for a cleaning service, when she was just giving the money to her boyfriend.

You don’t understand what allegations in a complaint actually are. They aren’t ironclad truths, particularly from a lunatic that has burned through several lawyers and now has an ambulance chaser on contingency.

DP. Of course.

But it doesn’t take a grand jury to figure out that the surrogate likely submitted bogus reimbursement requests. A non existent cleaning company that has only one client, the surrogate? Who charges $150/week for a 2 bed/2 bath apartment?

I fear this is common sense.

Uh, I paid something similar to that ten years ago for a 2 bed/bath.

Ok cool. So you think the surrogate’s receipts are valid? What about the fact that the company was non existent and the invoices were created by the surrogates ex bf?

ms. bi, i suggest you message your doctor to see if she can work you in for a check up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

+1

Bi is nuts, clearly. But the surrogate made choices that undoubtedly contributed to the child’s death. She had certain responsibilities under the contract and she disregarded them because she thought she could get away with it. Now that she’s been caught, she’s playing the victim.

You clearly know nothing about stillbirth.

The surrogate LEFT THE HOSPITAL while she was supposed to be on bedrest following an apparent rupture of her membranes. Are you suggesting that did not contribute to the stillbirth?

The surrogate was given clearance by her doctor to briefly leave and take care of some practical matters for her long hospital stay. If the doctors hadn’t agreed it would be all over the chart that she left ama.

That’s not what the surrogate says. She says she was cleared to leave to go get vitamins, which is preposterous. That’s literally her account in the article - that the medical staff told her she could leave to pick up vitamins and come back. Hospitals don’t let you take outside medications and supplements, let alone leave to pick them up.

She wasn’t formally discharged AMA. She snuck out.

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Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the surrogate puts up a go fundme to get some legal representation to sue the pants off this vindictive psycho. I’m not a lawyer but harassment and defamation has definitely been done

I belong to several moms online groups and everyone wants to contribute. This is crazy abuse by a crazy person and the surrogate doesn't deserve one bit of this no matter how you feel about surrogacy.

Well, the article references how many surrogacy boards for IPs supported Bi, including in her harassment campaign, so I don’t think your sentiment is universal among parents who use surrogates.

Well it seems as if Bi only told her side of the story which was full of her paranoid assumptions and outright lies. What do you expect? I would hope that many of those people who supported Bi read the extensive article and realized she’s a predator.

Both parties signed an agreement with various confidentiality provisions. But Bi broke it within weeks and no one stood up for the GC.

GC didn't object.

Plus, confidentiality provisions exist to protect the IPs.

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I swear some of you are trying to make IPs look like the worst people possible on the planet.

This response shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic contract law and is also incredibly morally and ethically wrong. Unbelievable.

What this article is doing as far as I am concerned is clarifying just how awful surrogacy and most IPs are. The entire practice should be banned. These people should not be parents.

And there you have it. The anti-surrogacy crowd has shown itself for what it is: a group of woman-haters who want to control when and how we have children.

Umm actually it’s because the next step is just breeding farms. You can get a labradoodle and a baby at the same place.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

You’re right about the chart. Perhaps that’s why she’s refused to make the chart available to the IPs.

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Thanks OP for posting this article, so horrific.

Of course the IP is looney tunes, but I’m concerned about the hospital care.

The article said the nurses allowed the GC to go home to pick up the vitamins— I can’t imagine that really happened unless there was a doctor’s order. Hospitals are very strict about these things. No nurse who cares about her job would allow a patient to leave without a doctor’s order. If a patient “”sneaks out” they would not be welcomed back with open arms— risk management would be involved. If she did in fact sneak out, that’s pretty inexcusable.

I’m on the side of the GC, but curious if any drug testing was done at any time during the pregnancy. Certain drugs increase the risk for placental abruption.

As far as the hospital’s culpability, I’m surprised the baby’s HR wasn’t being monitored. How could the baby’s distress and demise have been missed by the staff?

Has anyone here ever been hospitalized for pre delivery monitoring like this GC was? What was your experience with monitoring?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

Patients on bed rest aren’t encouraged to leave the hospital to drive home alone for vitamins. Do you realize how insane that would be?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

You’re right about the chart. Perhaps that’s why she’s refused to make the chart available to the IPs.

She wanted things not related to the pregnancy redacted-obviously leaving AMA is pregnancy related and wouldn’t have been something she was excluding.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

Patients on bed rest aren’t encouraged to leave the hospital to drive home alone for vitamins. Do you realize how insane that would be?

They aren’t encouraged to but the woman didn’t have a partner and had a young child (and apparently vitamins ma bi was insisting she take.) doctors are dealing in the real world and if the woman needed things from home and to make arrangements for her young child as a lengthy bed rest period was beginning then it’s entirely plausible they would agree to that. I have seen similar situations unfold (minus surrogacy angle) and I assure you it happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

Patients on bed rest aren’t encouraged to leave the hospital to drive home alone for vitamins. Do you realize how insane that would be?

They aren’t encouraged to but the woman didn’t have a partner and had a young child (and apparently vitamins ma bi was insisting she take.) doctors are dealing in the real world and if the woman needed things from home and to make arrangements for her young child as a lengthy bed rest period was beginning then it’s entirely plausible they would agree to that. I have seen similar situations unfold (minus surrogacy angle) and I assure you it happens.

It wasn’t at the beginning of a lengthy bed rest period. It was TWO WEEKS into her hospitalization. Those vitamins were suddenly essential?

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Anonymous wrote:It's an article about power imbalance and the cruelty and suffering that the rich can impose on those who have less.

My heart goes out to the surrogate.

There’s certainly the power imbalance in that Bi has legal resources that the surrogate doesn’t have. Bi is clearly not mentally well and is abusing the legal process to harass this surrogate in a way only the rich can do.

But, I don’t feel sorry for the surrogate. She held allll the power when it came to that baby’s health. She decided to leave the hospital against medical advice. She decided not to tell the parents about the vaginal bleeding. She decided not to follow the doctor’s suggestion for follow up when her amniotic fluid got too low. She ignored the fact that fetal movement had stopped.

She also falsified reimbursements on childcare and house cleaners. She saw an opportunity to steal from the rich and she took it.

I don’t know if Bi can prove it, but it does seem most likely that the surrogate was partying at her DJ boyfriend’s New Year’s Eve rave and given the timeline, might have contributed to the prenatal problems.

The surrogate sounds like white trash, right down to the trope of a single mom with a biracial kid who has unfettered access (at age 7!) to an iPad with zero parental controls - thereby opening the door for a mentally unstable woman to text the child a picture of a dead baby.

Both of these women are problems.

Are you Bi's publicist? This is so much nonsense.

What kind of a crappy publicist would state that her client is mentally unstable?!

No, I’m not her publicist. I’m just a random person who thought the article was interesting, so I dove a little deeper and read the complaint and the declarations, as well as all the exhibits.

You're a racist a**hole and a malignant liar. Having a biracial child doesn't make you white trash, and there's zero information in the Wired article about the surrogate falsifying expenses and they clearly state there's no evidence that the surrogate was out partying with her boyfriend on NY Eve beyond Bi's accusation.

NP. The information about the falsified expenses is in the complaint. GC was billing the IPs for $150/week for a cleaning service, when she was just giving the money to her boyfriend.

You don’t understand what allegations in a complaint actually are. They aren’t ironclad truths, particularly from a lunatic that has burned through several lawyers and now has an ambulance chaser on contingency.

Neither are things written in a one-sided article by an author with an axe to grind.

What axe to grind? The journalist meticulously documented everything from Bi’s own documents, some of which she allegedly provided in breach of an agreement with the surrogate.

The journalist clearly had her own ax to grind. I’m shocked it took this long for people to call out what was a pretty clear bias. That doesn’t mean that Bi isn’t nuts, but readers should be careful before they just believe the author.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in cases like this patients are able to leave the hospital sometimes and yes they are able to bring things like vitamins that aren’t stocked in the hospital. It wouldn’t matter if she wasn’t formally discharged ama-I’d she left ama and returned over doctors objections it would be all over the chart.

Patients on bed rest aren’t encouraged to leave the hospital to drive home alone for vitamins. Do you realize how insane that would be?

They aren’t encouraged to but the woman didn’t have a partner and had a young child (and apparently vitamins ma bi was insisting she take.) doctors are dealing in the real world and if the woman needed things from home and to make arrangements for her young child as a lengthy bed rest period was beginning then it’s entirely plausible they would agree to that. I have seen similar situations unfold (minus surrogacy angle) and I assure you it happens.

+1. The poor surrogate had a 7 yo kid sleeping next to her bed in the hospital. That must have been difficult.

And with all the hideous harassing things Bi did to the surrogate, I find it difficult to assume she’s lying when she said she had to go back to get vitamins Bi insisted she take.