Georgia's anti-abortion law forcing brain-dead woman to remain on life support

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:“I’m not saying that we would have chose to terminate her pregnancy, but what I’m saying is, we should have had a choice,” she said."

So the family doesn’t want to terminate the pregnancy. Why does dcum want to do so?

DCUM wants the family to be able to choose. I take it you do not?

dcum is an an anonymous online website.

Why does dcum get to set georgia state law?

What states allow dcum to override their citizen voters and elected officials to set state law? Can you list each state abd the year dcum was granted that right and power?

granny even admitted the family would not remove their loved one from life support.

In general, do you personally believe it is ethically acceptable to sustain a brain dead person against her will and the will of her family for a first trimester fetus?

For state law to supercede a woman's own advance directive for withdrawal of care if she has an advance directive or has otherwise made it clear she would not want to be sustained on a ventilator and suffers an adverse event and is declared brain dead?

I can say unequivocally as an RN who has cared for chronic ventilator patients that if I were pregnant and suffered an adverse event in my first (or second trimester) that I would want to be allowed to die and my fetus to die with me. Do you believe that state law should force me to be maintained for my fetus even if it was not what I wanted?

It doesn’t matter what your opinion is or what my opinion is. The state of GA has laws regarding this situation.

I don’t live in Georgia. Do you? If you do not, as I do not, GA state law has nothing to do with either of us.

My issues are:

1. The family does not want the mother removed from life support

2. anonymous dcum posters are lying about the health of the unborn baby to garner support for their wishes to have the mother taken off child support. Which in itself is weird, because it’s none of their business.

How can you claim people are lying when multiple people have posted direct quotes about the fetus?

You pro forced birthers are all the same - cannot accept the reality of the torment you cause and can only claim people are lying.

Also repeatedly refused to provide her own general views of whether the state should be able to override a woman/s family's wishes, saying her own views didn't matter. Yes, they matter.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

Aside from details of the case, please state your larger opinion of a state overriding a pregnant woman's advance directive or (if absent), family's wishes for withdrawal of care after an adverse, catastrophic event, if she is pregnant. You can differentiate between first, second, and third trimester, if you wish.

Stop being a coward and hiding behind the details of this case. State your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

You flatly are being a coward and not saying your opinion on the larger ethical questions outside of this case.

Stop hiding behind the details of this case and state your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

You must not have read the original post with the link to the AP article, where the mother of the woman on life support was quoted.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

You must not have read the original post with the link to the AP article, where the mother of the woman on life support was quoted.

DP. You could settle this easily with the exact quote that confirms what you said. This is what you wrote:

But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

Please give us the exact quote from news media that proves this medical information about both the mother and the baby. You are the one who has stated it as fact, so give us the hard evidence.

Or were you lying when you wrote the above?

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

Coward troll who keeps avoiding stating her opinion on the larger, direct, questions asked of her repeatedly.

Coward

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

You must not have read the original post with the link to the AP article, where the mother of the woman on life support was quoted.

DP. You could settle this easily with the exact quote that confirms what you said. This is what you wrote:

But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

Please give us the exact quote from news media that proves this medical information about both the mother and the baby. You are the one who has stated it as fact, so give us the hard evidence.

Or were you lying when you wrote the above?

Not that PP, but as an RN, this generally does happen to long term vent patients who have no brain function, so medically is quite likely.

But the larger question is not about the specifics of this case, but about legal questions of autonomy over one's body even im death. Your refusal to answer direct questions about your opinion of the larger questions at hand indicates you would, indeed, force a brain dead woman to be kept on a vent for months even if she had an clear advance directive against it l.

If you respond with some BS about "but in this case, xyz," you are a blatant coward or paid troll.

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Newkirk told WXIA that doctors told the family that the fetus has fluid on the brain and that they’re concerned about his health.

“She’s pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he’s born,” Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.

Here is what happens to a brain dead body on life support. https://www.livescience.com/42301-brain-death-body-alive.html

Her body is slowly decomposing. No machine can replicate the functions of the brain.

That sounds like great conditions to growa Fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.

Odd. We were confidently told repeatedly here, in the weeks leading up to the election, that DCUM’s position on abortion was correct, reflected by the voters, and would easily decide the election for Harris.

You think everyone who voted for Trump is also anti abortion for major medical events? Ok.

But sure ignore polling.

Can you show me the polling that shows that most Americans disagree with what has happened here, and would want her to be allowed to die?

Look, I am not actually in support of this. I think, in this case, her family has expressed her wishes, and she should be allowed to pass, given the age of the fetus in particular. But I recognize that it’s not at all clear that most Americans feel the same way, and in fact many of them would take the position that the brain dead mother would in fact want whatever chance at life her baby could get. This is what I’m frustrated about, because DCUM is so far off the mainstream and is continually surprised by that where it matters (elections). I am not at all clear that most Americans think anything wrong has happened here at all, and certainly do not view this in the apocalyptic language of DCUM (“biological material,” “incubator,” etc.).

I would like the US to return to “safe, legal, and rare,” but I don’t think we will ever get there at this rate, because the opposition sounds so outright crazy.

the fact is, this is such a ghoulish and unusual circumstance that most Americans have no correct frame of reference. If you envision it as the mom peacefully on a respirator for two weeks until the viable baby reaches 33 weeks, then sure. But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

How do you know this as fact? Has it been verified?

The relatives have been quoted as saying that the fetus is not doing well.

The only other cases where this has gone on so long involved constant infections for the mother and one high profile one, a severely deformed fetus.

To believe you can easily keep a brain dead body alive for months doing some thing as physiologically complex as gestation is a fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marlise_Mu%C3%B1oz

Provide a link to the relatives saying the baby “isn’t doing well.”

You can’t, because you are a liar.

This has been cited extensively in the press. You’re not a liar but you are an evil ghoul who hates actual babies but loves doomed fetuses gestating in corpses against the wishes of their relatives.

So post the extensive evidence that the press has published regarding the baby’s health, with links. I dare you.

It has been posted and quoted here multiple times.

You do not understand the basic meaning of the word “evidence.” Or you are a liar. There are only two options.

So basically you refuse to believe the news reports and anyone who cites them is a liar? meanwhile we are supposed to believe that this is a perfectly healthy way to gestate a fetus?

You are flatly lying about what news reports say.

The news reports say the grandmother was told by the doctors that the fetus is unhealthy and baby may be blind/unable to walk.

where is the lie?

Copy and paste the quote from the grandmother and the link.

You won’t, because what you are saying isn’t accurate.

Democrats ☕️

You must not have read the original post with the link to the AP article, where the mother of the woman on life support was quoted.

DP. You could settle this easily with the exact quote that confirms what you said. This is what you wrote:

But this case is keeping the mother’s body alive through repeated infections, limbs seizing up, pressure sores, to gestate a severely disabled fetus.

Please give us the exact quote from news media that proves this medical information about both the mother and the baby. You are the one who has stated it as fact, so give us the hard evidence.

Or were you lying when you wrote the above?

Not that PP, but as an RN, this generally does happen to long term vent patients who have no brain function, so medically is quite likely.

But the larger question is not about the specifics of this case, but about legal questions of autonomy over one's body even im death. Your refusal to answer direct questions about your opinion of the larger questions at hand indicates you would, indeed, force a brain dead woman to be kept on a vent for months even if she had an clear advance directive against it l.

If you respond with some BS about "but in this case, xyz," you are a blatant coward or paid troll.

And also unintelligent because you literally cannot see the forest for the trees.

Keep debating the trees though!