Closing USAID

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Anonymous wrote:From this thread I understand that USAID is a drop in the bucket inconsequential benevolent org that also possesses super highly confidential and sensitive info that Elon and other Americans without the highest levels of security clearance can never be permitted to see.

Is who gets food aid really that sensitive or is this a vehicle for more important gov acticity?

No. Go fishing somewhere else. You're in the wrong pond.

Okay. So why is this all so sensitive and secretive?

Why is what so sensitive and secret?

CIA needs a little sunlight, or stop taking our tax dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

You are a fool. If USAID becomes a DOD program then any charity program overseas would become a military target. Goddamn you idiots destroying our country just because you are too stupid to understand the basic realities of modern society.

Then put it under State? Did you just read past that part?

Basic realities of modern society? What exactly does that mean to you? Because the modern society you idiots in control have built isn’t working for a vast, vast number of Americans. That Fulani lure is precisely why you have the orange clown in power.

Maybe you fools could humble yourselves, acknowledge your failures and return the country’s resources and focus to helping Americans rather than helping everyone else.

Truly amazing that that 20 years later GWB’s worldview is being fully validated and embraced by the left and Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

You are a fool. If USAID becomes a DOD program then any charity program overseas would become a military target. Goddamn you idiots destroying our country just because you are too stupid to understand the basic realities of modern society.

Then put it under State? Did you just read past that part?

Basic realities of modern society? What exactly does that mean to you? Because the modern society you idiots in control have built isn’t working for a vast, vast number of Americans. That Fulani lure is precisely why you have the orange clown in power.

Maybe you fools could humble yourselves, acknowledge your failures and return the country’s resources and focus to helping Americans rather than helping everyone else.

Truly amazing that that 20 years later GWB’s worldview is being fully validated and embraced by the left and Democrats.

It's also not working for the third world. That's why they are turning to China, why they are recruiting terrorists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

You are a fool. If USAID becomes a DOD program then any charity program overseas would become a military target. Goddamn you idiots destroying our country just because you are too stupid to understand the basic realities of modern society.

Next administration, the DOD could become a program under USAID. There are clearly no rules any more.

[Anonymous]

This is all a huge win for China as well as BRICS.

US loses.

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Anonymous wrote:This is all a huge win for China as well as BRICS.

US loses.

Just the opposite.

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WHO exactly was CONTROLLING usaid recipients?

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Anonymous wrote:This is red state GDP "subsidized" by the US government.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/04/18/usda-usaid-deploy-1-billion-emergency-food-assistance

I guess those farmers won't get such sales anymore. Who will replace the USAID as a customer for these products?

Don't worry. They will reprogram that funding.

Right into Elon's pocket.

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What kind of money are we talking, OP?

Which countries no longer have starving children as a result of all this funneled cash?

Wow. I often wonder how people could have voted for Trump. Then I read a response like this and see there really are awful, cold hearted people out there!

NP. Our own kids are hungry

And about to get a lot hungrier. Trump won't be helping poor Americans.

Link to policy
?

The pain will be worth the price.
Trump - February 2, 2025

And Trump supporters are agreeing with him and saying they are willing to pay extra. It's mind boggling.

The same people that complained about the economy and price of groceries and voted for Trump for this reason. Sigh.

Now 51% are against his tariffs…

[Anonymous]

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What kind of money are we talking, OP?

Which countries no longer have starving children as a result of all this funneled cash?

Wow. I often wonder how people could have voted for Trump. Then I read a response like this and see there really are awful, cold hearted people out there!

NP. Our own kids are hungry

And about to get a lot hungrier. Trump won't be helping poor Americans.

Won't be just helping poor Americans but all Americans. Fixed it for ya

they aren't going to help poor americans, they are going to cut taxes for the rich

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

These agencies ALL have public reports and their budgets are open for public scruitiny. The sunshine is there, or it was until the websites were taken offline at the end of last week. Maybe check the internet wayback machine, but the information you seek is/was readily available.

USAID IS (or was) under the State Department.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all a huge win for China as well as BRICS.

US loses.

Just the opposite.

Nope. Trump is undermining the US economy and ceding power to Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

These agencies ALL have public reports and their budgets are open for public scruitiny. The sunshine is there, or it was until the websites were taken offline at the end of last week. Maybe check the internet wayback machine, but the information you seek is/was readily available.

USAID IS (or was) under the State Department.

There was ZERO sunshine on how much USAID gave to WUHAN lab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From this thread I understand that USAID is a drop in the bucket inconsequential benevolent org that also possesses super highly confidential and sensitive info that Elon and other Americans without the highest levels of security clearance can never be permitted to see.

Is who gets food aid really that sensitive or is this a vehicle for more important gov acticity?

No. Go fishing somewhere else. You're in the wrong pond.

Okay. So why is this all so sensitive and secretive?

Why is what so sensitive and secret?

CIA needs a little sunlight, or stop taking our tax dollars.

Dude. Do you even understand what the CIA is? Sure, why not publicize every single informant the CIA has and then they'll be dead by the end of the dya.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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What kind of money are we talking, OP?

Which countries no longer have starving children as a result of all this funneled cash?

Wow. I often wonder how people could have voted for Trump. Then I read a response like this and see there really are awful, cold hearted people out there!

+1

And it also takes away our soft influence and opens the door for china and other rivals to fill the vacuum.

Unfortunately, this is already happening.