Closing USAID

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Anonymous wrote:I'm okay with closing USAID. These countries hate us anyway, and are taking our money while making deals with China. No thank you.

Well as long as you’re ok with it, then so what about the babies who will die. Right??

Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Stasis = USA is the global superpower

Removing ourselves from the equation = Russia and China having free reign


It is NOT in our interest to allow Russia and China a free pass to control the entire planet. Why would anyone have to explain that to you?

So you think the options are either we spend $40 billion on foreign aid or Russia and China take over the world?

We stop sending aid to a random African country and suddenly we’re all speaking Russian in the US?

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What kind of money are we talking, OP?

Which countries no longer have starving children as a result of all this funneled cash?

Wow. I often wonder how people could have voted for Trump. Then I read a response like this and see there really are awful, cold hearted people out there!

NP. Our own kids are hungry

And about to get a lot hungrier. Trump won't be helping poor Americans.

Link to policy
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The pain will be worth the price.
Trump - February 2, 2025

And Trump supporters are agreeing with him and saying they are willing to pay extra. It's mind boggling.

[Anonymous]

This is red state GDP "subsidized" by the US government.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/04/18/usda-usaid-deploy-1-billion-emergency-food-assistance

I guess those farmers won't get such sales anymore. Who will replace the USAID as a customer for these products?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm okay with closing USAID. These countries hate us anyway, and are taking our money while making deals with China. No thank you.

Well as long as you’re ok with it, then so what about the babies who will die. Right??

Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

This is utter nonsense. Complete and vile nonsense.

It IS the reason. Look into why this is happening. It's not because Elon hates funding womens shelters in Kosovo. It's because the money was sent to fund a color revolution in the US, including the prosecutions of Trump. I know you don't want that to be true. But what if it is? It makes it all look very different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm okay with closing USAID. These countries hate us anyway, and are taking our money while making deals with China. No thank you.

Well as long as you’re ok with it, then so what about the babies who will die. Right??

Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Stasis = USA is the global superpower

Removing ourselves from the equation = Russia and China having free reign


It is NOT in our interest to allow Russia and China a free pass to control the entire planet. Why would anyone have to explain that to you?

So you think the options are either we spend $40 billion on foreign aid or Russia and China take over the world?

We stop sending aid to a random African country and suddenly we’re all speaking Russian in the US?

Soft power has served the US VERY WELL for a relatively low cost for the better part of 50 years. If the US isn't doing this, then China and Russia fill the void. How is this not hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is red state GDP "subsidized" by the US government.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2024/04/18/usda-usaid-deploy-1-billion-emergency-food-assistance

I guess those farmers won't get such sales anymore. Who will replace the USAID as a customer for these products?

Don't worry. They will reprogram that funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do Democrats allow China to have “free reign” over the US?

Democrats? How much did Trump pay China in taxes last year? each of the last 15 years? More than he paid to the US treasury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm okay with closing USAID. These countries hate us anyway, and are taking our money while making deals with China. No thank you.

Well as long as you’re ok with it, then so what about the babies who will die. Right??

Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Stasis = USA is the global superpower

Removing ourselves from the equation = Russia and China having free reign


It is NOT in our interest to allow Russia and China a free pass to control the entire planet. Why would anyone have to explain that to you?

So you think the options are either we spend $40 billion on foreign aid or Russia and China take over the world?

We stop sending aid to a random African country and suddenly we’re all speaking Russian in the US?

Soft power has served the US VERY WELL for a relatively low cost for the better part of 50 years. If the US isn't doing this, then China and Russia fill the void. How is this not hard to understand?

No! It served us well 50 years ago. Right now, it's not working. Africa is controlled by China, as is much of Latin America. How is that a success? We are failing in our soft power efforts. Be honest. We are getting weaker and have been for 20+ years.

[Anonymous]

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Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Time to take the tin-foil hat off.

I have friends who work(ed) at USAID. You have no idea the conditions they endure advancing the US mission by helping the poorest of the poor around the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm okay with closing USAID. These countries hate us anyway, and are taking our money while making deals with China. No thank you.

Well as long as you’re ok with it, then so what about the babies who will die. Right??

Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Stasis = USA is the global superpower

Removing ourselves from the equation = Russia and China having free reign


It is NOT in our interest to allow Russia and China a free pass to control the entire planet. Why would anyone have to explain that to you?

So you think the options are either we spend $40 billion on foreign aid or Russia and China take over the world?

We stop sending aid to a random African country and suddenly we’re all speaking Russian in the US?

Soft power has served the US VERY WELL for a relatively low cost for the better part of 50 years. If the US isn't doing this, then China and Russia fill the void. How is this not hard to understand?

No! It served us well 50 years ago. Right now, it's not working. Africa is controlled by China, as is much of Latin America. How is that a success? We are failing in our soft power efforts. Be honest. We are getting weaker and have been for 20+ years.

Because the GOP has continued to erode and cut these programs for the last 20+ years and ceded to our rivals.

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

[Anonymous]

Should’ve done the same in the US.

[Anonymous]

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Everyone who lives also dies. There's not been a full and transparent public discussion about whether the people of the US actually owe all this money to the third world, who hates us and views us as cultural colonizers. In one lens this is humanitarian. But in another, less American lens, this is soft imperialism. There's no plan for these nations to get better or stronger. We are just paying for stasis.

But this isn't why AID is being shut down. It's being shut down because it is believed to have funneled money to revolutionary efforts in the US, including funding the prosecutions through the org Fair and Just Prosecutions, via the Tide Center.

Time to take the tin-foil hat off.

I have friends who work(ed) at USAID. You have no idea the conditions they endure advancing the US mission by helping the poorest of the poor around the world.

You know that public grants are a matter of public record, right?

Look, let FJP tell you themselves. They are funded by Tides: https://fairandjustprosecution.org/

"Fair and Just Prosecution is a fiscally-sponsored project of The Tides Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and the nation's largest fiscal sponsor."

Tides is funded, in part, by USAID:

https://www.highergov.com/grant/AIDOAAA1600007/

Fair and Just Prosecutions hasn't exactly been quiet about its role in the Trump prosecutions so I don't think I need to link that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

Wonderful that you feel that way, but there is a legal and appropriate way to dismantle and/or investigate it. THIS IS NOT IT. All it’s doing is leaving the door open for other laws to be broken and you won’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, MORON.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If USAID information is in a scif the there is something seriously amiss.

Not really. Many of USAID’s overseas foreign partners don’t want to be advertised in their home country as taking US money. It can be dangerous on the ground for them. USAID reps take confidential meetings with foreign government representatives; those discussions would be classified. China is always trying to undercut USAID or sabotage projects, so we need to work carefully and discreetly.

You get that foreign aid is a competition, right? We are competing with Russia and China to influence these foreign governments

Why is it a competition? So it is a foreign influence/opposition-in-other/countries funding mechanism? Are the American people really signing up for this?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. I like America First and spreading our influence, values, and democracy. I’d also rather have stable developing countries, lowering the risk of refugee and health crises.

Yes, the American people signed up for this. it was established by law by Congress and enacted via EO by President Kennedy. The U.S. - by law - is required to have a foreign aid agency.

It is a bad thing. I don’t think we should be colonizing the planet with our values and influence. That’s a white supremacist/Nazi mindset. Especially when other governments feel we are funding internal opposition within their domestic affairs. I know I don’t want other governments influencing our domestic affairs—like Russian Facebook election meddling.

GWB blew through trillions of dollars and killed hundreds of thousands spreading democracy. I thought we learned our lesson about the folly there.

Mutually beneficial, non-coercive trade sounds great. Why are health initiatives, development and refugee prevention so secretive?

Helping prevent the spread of bird flu, aids and Ebola is not "colonizing"

If it is so benign, then let the sunshine in and let ordinary citizens see what is happening.

If it is such a cornerstone of American national security, roll its functions up under DoD or State.

But the handwringing over a purported benign, cornerstone of our diplomacy, national security, and health also being treated as some kind of double secret probation top level of information security gives the APPEARANCE that perhaps something more nefarious is going on here.

You are a fool. If USAID becomes a DOD program then any charity program overseas would become a military target. Goddamn you idiots destroying our country just because you are too stupid to understand the basic realities of modern society.