Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

Willing to bet that most of the protesters are either very wealthy (spoiled brats who know mom and dad will catch them if they fall) or very poor (full ride). The student who was just banned from the Columbia campus for repeatedly talking about killing Zionists is from Dorchester in Boston (per capita income in the mid 20k).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

It’s a social, extracurricular activity. It’s fun to be outraged about something at that age and pretend like your voice matters.

Its really hard to take them seriously when they would totally meltdown if you tried to take their phone and starbucks drink away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

What do you mean, under Hamas? Michigan will do:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

Meh, there's a ton of a-holes in the crowd. It's part of the fun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s point of view depends on which news source you listen to. Cable media will have you believe the students are out of control antisemites while social media tells us these protesters are peaceful. So I asked my niece who attends one of these universities. She is not protesting and has no skin in the game. She told me that the protesters are by far peaceful students. She walked all over campus and did not hear one word of harassment to any Jews. In fact many Jews are protesting themselves. She did not stay around when police came and heard from friends that they were unfairly targeting students. So there you have it. I am going to believe my niece over anything I hear on TV. I urge you all to talk to people firsthand before believing anything you hear on TV or social media.

So this is just a big nothingburger?

yeah-
I was in Ann Arbor, driving through campus and didnt hear any sort of disturbance. the farmers market was on as per usual. I'm sure there are kids who are protesting but the frenzy and shouting and nuttiness is just spin. And I am pretty anti-israeli/netanyahu, I think this right wing government is making jewish people all over the world unsafe and dont believe in religious states of any kind so I am on the protestors side but there arent as many or as large a crowd as its being made out to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

DP.

Um, isn't that EXACTLY what's happened with every conservative speaker on campus for the last decade?

Remember the Stanford students shouting down the 5th Circuit judge?

The Cal students who broke into a building to prevent a pro-Israel speech?

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

The protesters are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Their sudden commitment to free speech is commendable, but also ridiculously hypocritical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

Restricting access to areas of campus that nobody NEEDS to access is an occurrence that happens on a regular basis.

FFS, if UCLA is trimming trees on campus and has roped off sidewalk areas to prevent risk of injury, but students can get to/from everything essential on campus by simply walking around the roped off areas, is that harming the rights of students? Give me a break. The protesters can be annoying, but people like this kid seeking to provoke and disrupt the RIGHTS of the others is a greater problem, by far.

Next he's going to be barging into an event in the faculty club and demanding his right to read aloud the potion of the torah he memorized for his bar mitzvah. HE IS THE ONE ATTEMPTING TO VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. Read that again and again and again, until you get it.

Go home, kid. Stop trying to be the wise guy with your friends and an iPhone trying to gotcha! students (or whomever they are, don't really care because it's a public campus) into saying something you can try to doxx them over. That mindset, what he's doing, is nauseating. I'm glad none of the protesters are falling for it. He's a douche. The end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

I think it's telling that this is who the students at Columbia chose to be their spokesperson and leader - a non-binary POC who has raved for months about his desire to see all "Zionists" die and thinks we should "Be grateful I'm not murdering Zionists."

All those clips of students celebrating Hamas and wishing 10/7s on Jews every day are not outliers. This is who they are. It is well beyond protesting the Netanyahu government in Israel. It is straight up hatred for other Americans simply because of their religion. This is not free speech. This is hate speech. And these students need to be expelled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

DP.

Um, isn't that EXACTLY what's happened with every conservative speaker on campus for the last decade?

Remember the Stanford students shouting down the 5th Circuit judge?

The Cal students who broke into a building to prevent a pro-Israel speech?

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

The protesters are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Their sudden commitment to free speech is commendable, but also ridiculously hypocritical.

Yeah, I'm not defending or arguing in favor of other situations.

I will say this: the purpose of the protests should be focused on humanitarian matters in Gaza, and not stray into threats against Israelis or Jews more broadly, etc. If they clearly veer into actionable threats, that's a problem. But if they stay on that anti-war, humanitarian path, I think it's pretty clear that they differ from the examples you posted above.

Conservative speech promoting conservatives values that are not (or should not be) controversial, like fiscal policy? Sure, shouldn't really be any room for counter-protesting. But when you veer into social issues like abortion and matters of essential equality, that is VERY different than protesting on the basis of a humanitarian crisis.

To be more clear ...

You want to cosplay Grover Norquist and speak on campus about tax policy? Have at it.

You want to speak on campus about opposition to the 10/7 attacks OR opposition to the ongoing siege of Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there? Have at it.

But if you want to speak and promote pro-apartheid government policies (and unfortunately, any pro-Israeli speaker bears that stain in Israel's current form) or criminalizing abortion or restoring slavery or whatever else you have in mind that threatens the sensibilities of reasonable people, you shouldn't expect a warm welcome and you should expect counter-protesters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

I think it's telling that this is who the students at Columbia chose to be their spokesperson and leader - a non-binary POC who has raved for months about his desire to see all "Zionists" die and thinks we should "Be grateful I'm not murdering Zionists."

All those clips of students celebrating Hamas and wishing 10/7s on Jews every day are not outliers. This is who they are. It is well beyond protesting the Netanyahu government in Israel. It is straight up hatred for other Americans simply because of their religion. This is not free speech. This is hate speech. And these students need to be expelled.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

I think it's telling that this is who the students at Columbia chose to be their spokesperson and leader - a non-binary POC who has raved for months about his desire to see all "Zionists" die and thinks we should "Be grateful I'm not murdering Zionists."

All those clips of students celebrating Hamas and wishing 10/7s on Jews every day are not outliers. This is who they are. It is well beyond protesting the Netanyahu government in Israel. It is straight up hatred for other Americans simply because of their religion. This is not free speech. This is hate speech. And these students need to be expelled.

I think his prior comments are abhorrent, though I think they are so extreme that perhaps this is where you intervene to at least try to educate rather than destroy his future. What he said is indefensible. Scary, for sure. But if you had to round up and similarly destroy the future of every person in Israel who has said the exact same thing about Palestinians, you would probably lose count after 1 - 2 million individuals.

I don't believe that we're unable as humans to connect with someone who has these kinds of views, to educate them to understand the negative power of such words and thoughts, and to instill a better set of tools to address frustrations and negative thoughts in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

DP.

Um, isn't that EXACTLY what's happened with every conservative speaker on campus for the last decade?

Remember the Stanford students shouting down the 5th Circuit judge?

The Cal students who broke into a building to prevent a pro-Israel speech?

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

The protesters are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Their sudden commitment to free speech is commendable, but also ridiculously hypocritical.

Yeah, I'm not defending or arguing in favor of other situations.

I will say this: the purpose of the protests should be focused on humanitarian matters in Gaza, and not stray into threats against Israelis or Jews more broadly, etc. If they clearly veer into actionable threats, that's a problem. But if they stay on that anti-war, humanitarian path, I think it's pretty clear that they differ from the examples you posted above.

Conservative speech promoting conservatives values that are not (or should not be) controversial, like fiscal policy? Sure, shouldn't really be any room for counter-protesting. But when you veer into social issues like abortion and matters of essential equality, that is VERY different than protesting on the basis of a humanitarian crisis.

To be more clear ...

You want to cosplay Grover Norquist and speak on campus about tax policy? Have at it.

You want to speak on campus about opposition to the 10/7 attacks OR opposition to the ongoing siege of Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there? Have at it.

But if you want to speak and promote pro-apartheid government policies (and unfortunately, any pro-Israeli speaker bears that stain in Israel's current form) or criminalizing abortion or restoring slavery or whatever else you have in mind that threatens the sensibilities of reasonable people, you shouldn't expect a warm welcome and you should expect counter-protesters.

Wow. So, only topics that are suitable to you are ok.
At all controversial? Counter protests and hateful rhetoric and threats of violence (yep - it happens) is ok.