Is the future of higher ed in the South?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nah, not while those states continue to rank near the bottom of K-12 education. Most of the SEC schools saw significant increases in apps, but most of the kids we know headed south (besides UGA or FL which were 1st choice for a few friends) didn't get into T30 schools or W&M, VT, UVA or MD, and didn't want JMU, VCU or Mason. Our neighbor's DD graduated from Ole Miss and my DD teacher's son graduated from AL. Both want to return to the DMV, but are having trouble finding jobs. The AL kid is now looking for jobs in Atlanta & Charlotte while Ole Miss girl is still hoping to find something in this area.

You don't get it. People are realizing T30 doesn't matter, and they can have a great time with fun, beautiful peers, not dealing with people like you that are negative.

Graduated from University of TN. The DC area Big Four recruited heavily at UT. I interned in DC, went back to UT for masters and then accepted a job in DC. Worked for 3 of the big four firms for a few yrs and then started own consulting business in DC area. Lots of opportunities here.

Because it's the dream of every high school student to work at a Big Four accounting firm. Quite the glamour career.

You can study to be a dental technician too. Most people understand that you to college for education and career not to chase "glamour". You don't have to go to college to post glamorous butt pics on your Instagram.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

Lol, no. Only uneducated fools go south. This board seems to have been infiltrated by Russian trolls/MAGA supporters recently.

I think you are jealous because southerners are better looking.

I think it’s very strange that so many people are saying southerners are better looking…I’m from The south and…no. These posters must just be thinking of Bama sorority girl types. That is NOT the majority of southerners. That is a small subset of UMC kids from the south. If you look at the majority of southerners, most are just average looking just like anywhere else in the country. Except there are higher rates of obesity in the south, which isn’t exactly boosting the overall attractiveness.

This is the college forum, not the hill Walmart forum.

yeah? so why are we talking about how attractive college students are anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is known worldwide for its excellent education. The Athens of America.

Yes, and worldwide people speak of the “beautiful people” in southern universities. They are avoiding Ivy schools like Columbia and Harvard for the chance to be surrounded by beauty.

#priorities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The south will get taken seriously as soon as the slack jawed yokels end their confederate nostalgia and stop cheering for a losing treasonous side that have been a disgrace and a stain on this country for 150 years.

Oh and when they can justify going to a school based on more criteria than the students are attractive and the weather is warm.

These posters sound vapid and shallow and perfect for a sports administration major at an SEC school.

+1

Reason #467 to avoid the South altogether.

[Anonymous]

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore?

Schools that gave generous merit to boost the numbers of their incoming class but pulled back on the money like Pitt and 'Bama. Schools that were hot because of sports success like Clemson and Gonzaga. Clemson's still popular, but not like it was 2-3 yrs ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

Lol, no. Only uneducated fools go south. This board seems to have been infiltrated by Russian trolls/MAGA supporters recently.

I think you are jealous because southerners are better looking.

I think it’s very strange that so many people are saying southerners are better looking…I’m from The south and…no. These posters must just be thinking of Bama sorority girl types. That is NOT the majority of southerners. That is a small subset of UMC kids from the south. If you look at the majority of southerners, most are just average looking just like anywhere else in the country. Except there are higher rates of obesity in the south, which isn’t exactly boosting the overall attractiveness.

This is the college forum, not the hill Walmart forum.

What is "the hill Walmart"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Wake Forest? Tulane? Does the value of that degree change in your mind because of the sudden drop in ranking? Would you have your DC apply to a school because it jumped up in ranking? Rankings can be fluid and often meaningless depending on metrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nah, not while those states continue to rank near the bottom of K-12 education. Most of the SEC schools saw significant increases in apps, but most of the kids we know headed south (besides UGA or FL which were 1st choice for a few friends) didn't get into T30 schools or W&M, VT, UVA or MD, and didn't want JMU, VCU or Mason. Our neighbor's DD graduated from Ole Miss and my DD teacher's son graduated from AL. Both want to return to the DMV, but are having trouble finding jobs. The AL kid is now looking for jobs in Atlanta & Charlotte while Ole Miss girl is still hoping to find something in this area.

You don't get it. People are realizing T30 doesn't matter, and they can have a great time with fun, beautiful peers, not dealing with people like you that are negative.

Graduated from University of TN. The DC area Big Four recruited heavily at UT. I interned in DC, went back to UT for masters and then accepted a job in DC. Worked for 3 of the big four firms for a few yrs and then started own consulting business in DC area. Lots of opportunities here.

Because it's the dream of every high school student to work at a Big Four accounting firm. Quite the glamour career.

You can study to be a dental technician too. Most people understand that you to college for education and career not to chase "glamour". You don't have to go to college to post glamorous butt pics on your Instagram.

Have you seen the posts some of these kids have made on the class of 28 insta pages? Smdh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The south will get taken seriously as soon as the slack jawed yokels end their confederate nostalgia and stop cheering for a losing treasonous side that have been a disgrace and a stain on this country for 150 years.

Oh and when they can justify going to a school based on more criteria than the students are attractive and the weather is warm.

These posters sound vapid and shallow and perfect for a sports administration major at an SEC school.

+1

Reason #467 to avoid the South altogether.

Do you truly think this is what most Southerners are like? In rural Alabama or Mississippi, maybe. In major cities and college towns, not like that at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Wake Forest? Tulane? Does the value of that degree change in your mind because of the sudden drop in ranking? Would you have your DC apply to a school because it jumped up in ranking? Rankings can be fluid and often meaningless depending on metrics.

But those are both really good schools. I'm asking are there some schools that were not well regarded and then just suddenly jumped to #6 public university (UF's ranking) and then just suddenly fell off the list a few years later? No. The answer is no. UF is a solid school. That's why it's ranked the way it is and it has been #6 for years. This isn't new. This isn't a fluke. UNC is #4 and UVA #5. It's not like UF is that far behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

You’ve posted this drivel before. Wired take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

+1
Georgia and Florida are great schools and both are enjoying a surge in popularity. Both are great, affordable options for in state students which has elevated their rankings, helping push application #s up out of state. However, these schools will never be in the same category of UNC or UVA.

Why wouldn’t they be?

Years/decades of established reputation. UNC and UVA have been well regarded/highly ranked since we were all looking at colleges 20 years ago. Every few years new schools become hot - currently it's Southern schools like Georgia and Florida. You can probably name programs that UNC and UVA are known for, not just regionally, but nationally. Can you say the same for Georgia and Florida?

Which schools were hot a few years ago and aren’t anymore? I don’t really think schools move in and out of the rankings quickly like you seem to think they do. I think once a school moves up it tends to stay up for awhile. I predict UF and UGA will stay higher in the rankings for a long time.

Schools get hot for a lot of reasons...successful sports teams, targeted regional recruiting, etc. Popularity does not equate to being well respected. Just because tens of thousands of kids apply to a school and drive the acceptance rate down, it doesn't immediately make employers regard the degree as more valuable. I think Georgia and Florida are popular schools. I do not view them in the same category of schools like UVA and UNC.

I asked you which schools were hot a few years ago and aren't anymore? You didn't answer that.

I asked you what programs Florida and Georgia are known for.

UF is known for: engineering, business, biological sciences. Don't know about UGA. But UF is the #6 public university, just behind UNC (#4) and UVA (#5) and UF has held that spot now for at least 5 years. It's not a new thing that UF is a great school. Now you can answer the question I asked you.