Pritzker urges Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to stop migrant dropoffs amid winter storm: ‘I plead with you for mercy’

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581

DP. JFC, you continue to repeat and rehash your ridiculous take on this situation. The POINT was to cause discomfort and outrage, so that leadership in these cities (Pritzker, Adams, etc.) would finally SPEAK UP and insist that Biden secure the border. Had Abbott not done this, or politely coordinated with the receiving cities, we would simply have business as usual, with the Biden admin saying, "See? It CAN work! This is great, everyone is cooperating and welcoming millions and millions of illegal immigrants! Keep up the good work!"

No. The point is to make this as uncomfortable for other states as it has been for Texas et al - but for decades now. Perhaps having some blue state mayors/governors speak out about this crisis will actually get results. Good for Abbott.

Thank you for being honest.

So you are saying that this IS a political stunt. It is not an attempt to actually ease the burden in TX or to “share the burden” across the country. It is being done for the sole and explicit purpose of attempting to influence policy in DC.

You can call it whatever you want - will it be effective in getting Biden to FINALLY pay attention and secure our border? I certainly hope so. You, on the other hand, would be perfectly content with Texas, NM, and Arizona continuing to shoulder 100% of the illegal immigration crisis. As long as you don't have to see or hear about it, it's all good - amirite?

I'm glad we finally have a leader in this country who is not going to accept that nonsense anymore.

No you are not right. The bolded is untrue. I am not at all content with the current situation in the border states.

This, however, is not a solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581

DP. JFC, you continue to repeat and rehash your ridiculous take on this situation. The POINT was to cause discomfort and outrage, so that leadership in these cities (Pritzker, Adams, etc.) would finally SPEAK UP and insist that Biden secure the border. Had Abbott not done this, or politely coordinated with the receiving cities, we would simply have business as usual, with the Biden admin saying, "See? It CAN work! This is great, everyone is cooperating and welcoming millions and millions of illegal immigrants! Keep up the good work!"

No. The point is to make this as uncomfortable for other states as it has been for Texas et al - but for decades now. Perhaps having some blue state mayors/governors speak out about this crisis will actually get results. Good for Abbott.

Thank you for being honest.

So you are saying that this IS a political stunt. It is not an attempt to actually ease the burden in TX or to “share the burden” across the country. It is being done for the sole and explicit purpose of attempting to influence policy in DC.

Guess you would prefer the status quo from the comfort of your area with no immigration issues?

How does California manage it without these stunts?

DP. Seriously? California has made it clear that illegal immigrants will be welcomed there. It would be more than a little hypocritical for them to suddenly reverse course, don't you think?

Not PP, but I think it was a sincere question.

How is CA handling it? I assume it is because there are less border crossings. But if there is something that TX can learn from CA handling it, it would be worth knowing.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581

DP. JFC, you continue to repeat and rehash your ridiculous take on this situation. The POINT was to cause discomfort and outrage, so that leadership in these cities (Pritzker, Adams, etc.) would finally SPEAK UP and insist that Biden secure the border. Had Abbott not done this, or politely coordinated with the receiving cities, we would simply have business as usual, with the Biden admin saying, "See? It CAN work! This is great, everyone is cooperating and welcoming millions and millions of illegal immigrants! Keep up the good work!"

No. The point is to make this as uncomfortable for other states as it has been for Texas et al - but for decades now. Perhaps having some blue state mayors/governors speak out about this crisis will actually get results. Good for Abbott.

Thank you for being honest.

So you are saying that this IS a political stunt. It is not an attempt to actually ease the burden in TX or to “share the burden” across the country. It is being done for the sole and explicit purpose of attempting to influence policy in DC.

Guess you would prefer the status quo from the comfort of your area with no immigration issues?

PP here. Nope not in favor of the status quo.

But I am glad we are beyond pretending this is something that it is not.

I know, right? I'm glad we're beyond pretending the border is secure and "under control" when it's anything but.
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PP here and I’m not sure I get the point of this response. I’ve been agreeing with that position all along.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

Why should a governor have to do all that? Can't our president, VP, and government take needed actions to enforce our immigration laws withiut being convinced of the crisis?

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as many have pointed out before and since, 'the cruelty is the point.'
it's as classic as the onion headline 'nothing we can do to prevent this, says only country where this regularly happens' that they publish after every mass shooting.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

Why should a governor have to do all that? Can't our president, VP, and government take needed actions to enforce our immigration laws withiut being convinced of the crisis?

I agree. A Governor should not have to. But as we agree, the federal government and the Biden Administration are not doing what they should. What I provided were options to address that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

Perhaps you've been living under a rock, but this is exactly what he was doing, ever since Biden took office and dismantled border protocols that were working. I saw Abbott on the news plenty of times, describing the scene, making the case that the border was complete chaos, appealing to the Biden administration to help - AND asking all of his fellow governors to pitch in and share the burden (how many do you think actually did? Only Florida and Idaho.). Links at the bottom to refresh your memory.

I also recall Democrats mocking him and gaslighting away any notion that the border was in crisis. Remember that?

So, to answer your questions: no, I don't think he has any other options at this point, and he is doing what needs to be done to get much-needed border reform from the Biden administration. As for the flights, I'm sure moving even a small portion of these illegal immigrants out of Texas helps them, no matter how little. That's several thousand people they no longer have to pay for. Why do you think he should keep millions of illegal immigrants in his state, while receiving no help from the federal government? And, as has been stated over and over (particularly from the Border Patrol themselves) - more funding to process and admit is not what is needed. An end to the masses of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. is what is needed, and only border legislation can fix that.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abbott-exhorts-biden-curb-immigration-border-claiming-invasion/story?id=93445128
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-urges-nations-governors-to-help-combat-border-crisis
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-gov-abbott-biden-request-federal-emergency-declaration-border-crisis

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581

DP. JFC, you continue to repeat and rehash your ridiculous take on this situation. The POINT was to cause discomfort and outrage, so that leadership in these cities (Pritzker, Adams, etc.) would finally SPEAK UP and insist that Biden secure the border. Had Abbott not done this, or politely coordinated with the receiving cities, we would simply have business as usual, with the Biden admin saying, "See? It CAN work! This is great, everyone is cooperating and welcoming millions and millions of illegal immigrants! Keep up the good work!"

No. The point is to make this as uncomfortable for other states as it has been for Texas et al - but for decades now. Perhaps having some blue state mayors/governors speak out about this crisis will actually get results. Good for Abbott.

Thank you for being honest.

So you are saying that this IS a political stunt. It is not an attempt to actually ease the burden in TX or to “share the burden” across the country. It is being done for the sole and explicit purpose of attempting to influence policy in DC.

You can call it whatever you want - will it be effective in getting Biden to FINALLY pay attention and secure our border? I certainly hope so. You, on the other hand, would be perfectly content with Texas, NM, and Arizona continuing to shoulder 100% of the illegal immigration crisis. As long as you don't have to see or hear about it, it's all good - amirite?

I'm glad we finally have a leader in this country who is not going to accept that nonsense anymore.

No you are not right. The bolded is untrue. I am not at all content with the current situation in the border states.

This, however, is not a solution.

So tell us what has worked in the past to get the attention of Democrats and illustrate exactly how serious this crisis is. Calling in non-profits to "help"? Throwing more money at processing and admitting illegal immigrants? Because if you are truly "not at all content" with the current situation in the border states, you should be applauding Gov. Abbott for finally taking steps to show the entire country what the Biden administration has allowed to happen. You should be wanting to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. Instead, you seem to want everyone to work politely together to manage the millions of millions of people who shouldn't have been admitted in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

new poster here
By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

Why should a governor have to do all that? Can't our president, VP, and government take needed actions to enforce our immigration laws withiut being convinced of the crisis?

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Amazing that it took busloads of illegal immigrants into blue cities to finally get the attention of Democrats. They were perfectly content to pretend (i.e. gaslight) that there was nothing "unusual" going on at the border. I am beyond disgusted with the way the left has handled - or rather, NOT handled - this crisis.

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it's as classic as the onion headline 'nothing we can do to prevent this, says only country where this regularly happens' that they publish after every mass shooting.

Yet another meaningless post from someone who is perfectly content with millions of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. Do tell, what would have worked better than what Abbott is currently doing? Actually, nvm. Not interested in your silly kumbaya nonsense. He's doing the only thing that seems to be effective.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

new poster here
By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

No I don’t think that. I think he should be in every news channel all the time showing footage and talking about what is happening. I think he should spend the money spent on these transports on massive lobbying campaigns. I think that he should be calling all over the country asking for help and I think he should be working with every nonprofit out there. I think TX representatives in DC should relentlessly push legislation and funding.

Wanna answer my questions?

Why should a governor have to do all that? Can't our president, VP, and government take needed actions to enforce our immigration laws withiut being convinced of the crisis?

I agree. A Governor should not have to. But as we agree, the federal government and the Biden Administration are not doing what they should. What I provided were options to address that fact.

DP. You have provided exactly zero options to rectify the crisis at the border. All you seem to want to do is manage it. That is not happening anymore, nor should it.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

So who should house and feed them? Announcing you are a sanctuary city is virtue signaling. Put your money where your mouth is.

Because these immigrants are being classed as asylum seekers — many don’t qualify. As such.

My family with US-born children were denied re-entry until they could prove they could afford to live in the US without government assistance. This is the right answer for many (most) of these so-called asylum seekers.

I’m thinking of going to NYC just so I can get a free flight to Europe and save myself half the flight cost.

This! The "asylum" system is completely broken and needs to be 100% reformed. It's insane that we're letting millions of people in, most of whom should not meet the criteria for asylum.

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this is exactly the problem and that’s why the reform stalls - my understanding is that democrats refuse to change the law where everyone and their aunt can come up to a border agent and ask for asylum and they have to be “processed” as in given temporary work permit and ssn and released into the country.
It used to be that they would try to sneak past the Mexican border patrol, but now with CBP one app they just wait for their “appointment” and go ask for asylum.
It probably helps a bit to control the flow but I guess there are people getting in by other ways.
IMHO ideally and and all asylum requests must be stopped/denied on the spot until there’s a handle on the situation

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What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

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This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

Sign what legislation? Did you not have any civics classes? Do you not know how a bill becomes law? The President does not make laws, that's the job of Congress. There's nothing for Biden to sign because Congress hasn't sent him anything to sign.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.

What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?

What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?

That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.

It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...

DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'

I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?

new poster here
By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.

For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.

In other words, we Chicagoans don't think we should have to enforce immigration laws because large groups of immigrants don't affect us. We like to sound kind and welcoming to immigrants. Just don't let too many of them come here. It might overburden our schools and services, but it's fine for Texas and other states to be overburdened.

It is NOT fine for Texas to be overburdened. It is also NOT fine for Chicago to be overburdened, particularly intentionally and at great cost by another state.

Then time to enforce the immigration laws.

PP here and I absolutely agree we need to enforce immigration laws. Texas also needs to stop the dumping.

Nothing gets done while those border states patiently wait for unaffected states to care about the immigration crisis and quit minimzing the impact.

+ a million
This is the crux of the matter. The Biden administration (and Democrats in general) have turned a blind eye to the border crisis, gaslighting all the way and claiming there "is no crisis!" Abbott is clearly at the end of his rope and has no other options. What he is doing is frankly, exactly what should be done to get Democrats to wake the hell up to what is happening. Enough is enough.

Do you really honestly think that he has no other options?
Do you really honestly think that these flights are even making any appreciable difference to alleviate the strain put on Texas?

You don't.

Do YOU honestly think Abbott should just stay quiet and put up with the status quo at the border while continuing to house and care for millions of illegal immigrants because Biden is too much of an idiot to sign border reform legislation?

You do.

Sign what legislation? Did you not have any civics classes? Do you not know how a bill becomes law? The President does not make laws, that's the job of Congress. There's nothing for Biden to sign because Congress hasn't sent him anything to sign.

HR 2 is full of flaws, some of which will make problems like trafficking even worse. Republicans refuse to address the problems with their bill and aren't interested in hearing any suggestions on what needs to be done to fix it. As such it is stalled out with nowhere to go. That is no way for Republicans to operate. But this is exactly the game they've been playing, even before Obama.