how likely is a shutdown?

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The odds of a shutdown are 100 percent.

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The answer is No. they are ZERO Republicans willing to do this. The newbies from NY should because they are toast in 2024. If they were to cross the aisle they could campaign on keeping Govt working. But most votes who support GOP are anti- government so that won’t work.

Lie down with dogs…wake up with fleas.

Of course there are no Republicans wiling to cross any lines. They’re an authoritarian party and they march as one. No dissension is allowed. No one thinks for themselves, no one thinks of the country. Party uber alles.

McCarthy is terrible at this. The only way this ends is a repeat of the debt ceiling coalition. There is zero chance that the Freedom Caucus will vote for any final package that the Senate would pass and Biden would sign so it is a waste of time begging them to vote for a dumbass partisan fantasy House bill.

Pelosi made this stuff look easy. She cut deals with ultra-partisans McConnell and the Trump White House in 2019 and 2020, and delivered the Democratic votes to pass them, which was many times harder than negotiating with Biden and Senate Democrats who are eager to compromise. The problem always is that a Republican Speaker can’t deliver the votes for a deal. Boehner couldn’t. Ryan couldn’t. McCarthy can’t. He has to negotiate with Democrats.

You're correct that Pelosi was good at this but the current situation isn't McCarthy's fault. He's no more terrible than Boehner or Ryan. The Speaker isn't the problem. The party is the problem.

It certainly is McCarthy's fault. He could just negotiate a deal with Democrats and the rump of his party that retains some level of sanity, and then pass it with overwhelming support. He won't do that because he's afraid that will lead to a motion to vacate. In other words, he's a coward.

And that would be the end of his speakership. And there's no one else who could be speaker. So it would be the end of our government.

Think this through.

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That's an absurd statement. There's plenty of members who could step up. End of our government? Get real.

TECHNICALLY, the Speaker of the House doesn't even have to be a member of Congress. It can be a private citizen also. No, really? Yeah, really.

NP. Who?! Steve Scaliese has cancer. Who could get support and the votes needed? More importantly what Republican would want the job of leadings divided party, where one side is insane?

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Oh, my, what a surprise. Couldn't see this one coming. Seems there's only one issue that Republican's care about - defunding the ability for Ukraine to stop Russian War Crimes from happening against their country, and supporting the Russian Invasion.

On Monday, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia and a close adviser to Mr. McCarthy on the political appetites of the party’s base, warned her colleagues against taking up a separate Pentagon spending bill. She said that even a procedural vote to advance that legislation was tantamount to “a vote for BILLIONS in new blood money for the proxy war in Ukraine.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/us/politics/senate-shutdown-ukraine.html

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, my, what a surprise. Couldn't see this one coming. Seems there's only one issue that Republican's care about - defunding the ability for Ukraine to stop Russian War Crimes from happening against their country, and supporting the Russian Invasion.

On Monday, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia and a close adviser to Mr. McCarthy on the political appetites of the party’s base, warned her colleagues against taking up a separate Pentagon spending bill. She said that even a procedural vote to advance that legislation was tantamount to “a vote for BILLIONS in new blood money for the proxy war in Ukraine.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/us/politics/senate-shutdown-ukraine.html

They also want to cut Title 1 funding for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are so many here freaking out about a shutdown this year? Are you all new to the end of FY around here?

Because this year there are a bunch of crazy MAGAs grandstanding who don't really seem to care at all about running the country. That's different from any previous year.

Agree-- the Contract w/America, Tea Party and crazy Cruz's from prior shutdowns seem like pussycats compared to these nuts. Unless McCarthy finds his spine and can stand up to the MAGAs for the good of the country (which means giving up his Speakership), then they're stuck. The MAGAs are making demands that aren't even feasible in a CR--cutting discretionary spending by 8 percent under a CR? It doesn't even make any logical sense. Not to mention, nothing they're proposing even makes a dent in the overall deficit--they're misleading their constituents who aren't smart enough to understand this in the first place. And their constituents depend on the very programs they're proposing to cut. MTG, Gaetz and others aren't fit to serve in Congress nor are they fit to make budgetary decisions about our government.

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The answer is No. they are ZERO Republicans willing to do this. The newbies from NY should because they are toast in 2024. If they were to cross the aisle they could campaign on keeping Govt working. But most votes who support GOP are anti- government so that won’t work.

Lie down with dogs…wake up with fleas.

Of course there are no Republicans wiling to cross any lines. They’re an authoritarian party and they march as one. No dissension is allowed. No one thinks for themselves, no one thinks of the country. Party uber alles.

McCarthy is terrible at this. The only way this ends is a repeat of the debt ceiling coalition. There is zero chance that the Freedom Caucus will vote for any final package that the Senate would pass and Biden would sign so it is a waste of time begging them to vote for a dumbass partisan fantasy House bill.

Pelosi made this stuff look easy. She cut deals with ultra-partisans McConnell and the Trump White House in 2019 and 2020, and delivered the Democratic votes to pass them, which was many times harder than negotiating with Biden and Senate Democrats who are eager to compromise. The problem always is that a Republican Speaker can’t deliver the votes for a deal. Boehner couldn’t. Ryan couldn’t. McCarthy can’t. He has to negotiate with Democrats.

You're correct that Pelosi was good at this but the current situation isn't McCarthy's fault. He's no more terrible than Boehner or Ryan. The Speaker isn't the problem. The party is the problem.

It certainly is McCarthy's fault. He could just negotiate a deal with Democrats and the rump of his party that retains some level of sanity, and then pass it with overwhelming support. He won't do that because he's afraid that will lead to a motion to vacate. In other words, he's a coward.

And that would be the end of his speakership. And there's no one else who could be speaker. So it would be the end of our government.

Think this through.

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That's an absurd statement. There's plenty of members who could step up. End of our government? Get real.

TECHNICALLY, the Speaker of the House doesn't even have to be a member of Congress. It can be a private citizen also. No, really? Yeah, really.

NP. Who?! Steve Scaliese has cancer. Who could get support and the votes needed? More importantly what Republican would want the job of leadings divided party, where one side is insane?

Best Matt Gaetz trigger is Liz Cheney. Would enjoy that enormously.

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The answer is No. they are ZERO Republicans willing to do this. The newbies from NY should because they are toast in 2024. If they were to cross the aisle they could campaign on keeping Govt working. But most votes who support GOP are anti- government so that won’t work.

Lie down with dogs…wake up with fleas.

Of course there are no Republicans wiling to cross any lines. They’re an authoritarian party and they march as one. No dissension is allowed. No one thinks for themselves, no one thinks of the country. Party uber alles.

McCarthy is terrible at this. The only way this ends is a repeat of the debt ceiling coalition. There is zero chance that the Freedom Caucus will vote for any final package that the Senate would pass and Biden would sign so it is a waste of time begging them to vote for a dumbass partisan fantasy House bill.

Pelosi made this stuff look easy. She cut deals with ultra-partisans McConnell and the Trump White House in 2019 and 2020, and delivered the Democratic votes to pass them, which was many times harder than negotiating with Biden and Senate Democrats who are eager to compromise. The problem always is that a Republican Speaker can’t deliver the votes for a deal. Boehner couldn’t. Ryan couldn’t. McCarthy can’t. He has to negotiate with Democrats.

You're correct that Pelosi was good at this but the current situation isn't McCarthy's fault. He's no more terrible than Boehner or Ryan. The Speaker isn't the problem. The party is the problem.

It certainly is McCarthy's fault. He could just negotiate a deal with Democrats and the rump of his party that retains some level of sanity, and then pass it with overwhelming support. He won't do that because he's afraid that will lead to a motion to vacate. In other words, he's a coward.

And that would be the end of his speakership. And there's no one else who could be speaker. So it would be the end of our government.

Think this through.

Not true. McCarthy has a way to get what he wants. He can negotiate with Democrats on a bill that will meet with a majority of Democrats and with the majority of the moderate Republicans to pass. And he negotiates with the Democrats to get their support to retain his speakership. The Democrats should realize by now that there are no paths to a Democratic House Speaker and a moderate House Speaker who owes debts to the Democratic minority is a big win for them. The alternative is McCarthy losing his speakership and the Republicans nominating a far less moderate candidate, someone like a Jim Jordan and then they are worse off than they were before. But negotiating an annual budget and support for her speakership with him owing debts to the Democrats is a line that he has to be considering at this point. He has no other path forward.

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Gee who could have foreseen that the corporate owned conservative media constantly both sidesing this issue would have voters believing that both sides are at fault.

[Anonymous]

Want to know House priorities on the right side of the aisle? See what they want to cut in the shutdown disaster. Pro life, amirite? Who cares about schools, poor kids and pregnant mothers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/26/mccarthy-conservatives-cut-spending/:

"The plan from Republican appropriators called for a roughly 80 percent cut to funding for public schools that serve high concentrations of students in poverty, according to the Center for American Progress. It would have also cut by at least half a fruit and vegetable benefit for poor pregnant mothers, which serves roughly 5 million people. It would have slashed the budget for the office responsible for administering Social Security benefits to tens of millions of Americans, while also advancing multibillion cuts to the National Institutes of Health, Head Start and preschool grants."

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Anonymous wrote:Want to know House priorities on the right side of the aisle? See what they want to cut in the shutdown disaster. Pro life, amirite? Who cares about schools, poor kids and pregnant mothers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/26/mccarthy-conservatives-cut-spending/:

"The plan from Republican appropriators called for a roughly 80 percent cut to funding for public schools that serve high concentrations of students in poverty, according to the Center for American Progress. It would have also cut by at least half a fruit and vegetable benefit for poor pregnant mothers, which serves roughly 5 million people. It would have slashed the budget for the office responsible for administering Social Security benefits to tens of millions of Americans, while also advancing multibillion cuts to the National Institutes of Health, Head Start and preschool grants."

But no abortions, right? At least direct ones. Abortions via malnutrition are apparently fine.

[Anonymous]

Out of control spending and printing must stop.
How simple is that?

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I’m a fed and ok with closing the government. Under no circumstances should the GOP get what they want:

Cutting housing subsidies for the poor by 33 percent as soaring rents drive a national affordability crisis. Forcing more than 1 million women and children onto the waitlist of a nutritional assistance program for poor mothers with young children. Reducing federal spending on home heating assistance for low-income families by more than 70 percent with energy prices high heading into the winter months.

The budget cuts should not come off the backs of the poor. Raise taxes on the rich. They have plenty of money and have had numerous tax cuts over the years. The working poor in America are struggling under inflation and out of control housing costs. We can’t have all government money only going towards old people!

[Anonymous]

We'll see if the GOP can get their acts together for the American people by this weekend. I doubt it, the MAGAs are too obsessed with trans people and Russia.

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Why does anyone pay attention to polls?

It’s probably likely that many people don’t understand/care. And that’s why the government should really shut down. Completely. Then people would realize that who you elect actually matters and this is not a reality show.

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Out of control spending and printing must stop.
How simple is that?

Lord what fools you people are.