Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

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That’s the face-saving technique that parents/kids say when they can’t afford better schools. Entirely transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

you're wrong on the bolded.

The cost difference between in state and OOS is about $20K per year. That is very much material for most people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

You discriminate on the basis of religion?

PP said “religious whack” not just religious people.

It’s the nutjob aspect that most people find difficult to work with. Not the actual religion.

False. She said she looks to see if they went to a “small religious school in the middle
of nowhere” and strongly implies that if they do they don’t even get an interview. They’re not even given the chance to show that they’re not religious whackos.

Yea, that’s discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

The ACC region is still seething that UMD monetized it’s location and left them treading water their inferior value.

DC is a pro sports town. Maybe that is why UMD's football attendance is woeful.

Nobody gives AF about Maryland football

Now that they can't tell recruits they will play blue bloods every season, basketball is heading in the same direction. One sweet 16 since joining the Big10 is pretty sad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

you're wrong on the bolded.

The cost difference between in state and OOS is about $20K per year. That is very much material for most people.

“Many” and “most” are not the same. For most people, yes, $20K is material. For many, it is not, and is a reasonable price to pay for an ideal college experience, whatever “ideal” means to you and/or your kid.

[Anonymous]

If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

[Anonymous]

Reading this post = another waste of time spent on DCUM.

This pissing contest is so embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

You discriminate on the basis of religion?

PP said “religious whack” not just religious people.

It’s the nutjob aspect that most people find difficult to work with. Not the actual religion.

False. She said she looks to see if they went to a “small religious school in the middle
of nowhere” and strongly implies that if they do they don’t even get an interview. They’re not even given the chance to show that they’re not religious whackos.

Yea, that’s discrimination.

Nope. The issue isn’t the religion - there are plenty of sane religious people out there. There are a small number of religious schools that enroll mostly nutjobs.

It’s the whacko-ness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

you're wrong on the bolded.

The cost difference between in state and OOS is about $20K per year. That is very much material for most people.

“Many” and “most” are not the same. For most people, yes, $20K is material. For many, it is not, and is a reasonable price to pay for an ideal college experience, whatever “ideal” means to you and/or your kid.

All this tells me is that you live in a bubble. For "many" in the US, $20K/year is still a lot and very material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

you're wrong on the bolded.

The cost difference between in state and OOS is about $20K per year. That is very much material for most people.

“Many” and “most” are not the same. For most people, yes, $20K is material. For many, it is not, and is a reasonable price to pay for an ideal college experience, whatever “ideal” means to you and/or your kid.

All this tells me is that you live in a bubble. For "many" in the US, $20K/year is still a lot and very material.

and for many it is not as evidence by the minuscule acceptance rate for OOS applicants at any good university

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

you're wrong on the bolded.

The cost difference between in state and OOS is about $20K per year. That is very much material for most people.

“Many” and “most” are not the same. For most people, yes, $20K is material. For many, it is not, and is a reasonable price to pay for an ideal college experience, whatever “ideal” means to you and/or your kid.

All this tells me is that you live in a bubble. For "many" in the US, $20K/year is still a lot and very material.

and for many it is not as evidence by the minuscule acceptance rate for OOS applicants at any good university

"Many" apply to oos in hopes of some FA.

But even so, the % of students applying to OOS compared to in state is miniscule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.