Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

[Anonymous]

One of my kids went to an OOS flagship that was about the same price (due to merit aid) & lower ranked than the comparable in-state option.

The biggest advantages of leaving the state was being exposed to a different part of the country & meeting a whole new group of friends (nobody from kid’s high school attended the OOS school). If kid had stayed in-state, would have been an hour from home & would have hung out with same friends as in high school.

Only a fraction of what you learn in college is in the classroom. While in-state publics often “get the job done,” going OOS can foster more personal growth.

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Anonymous wrote:One of my kids went to an OOS flagship that was about the same price (due to merit aid) & lower ranked than the comparable in-state option.

The biggest advantages of leaving the state was being exposed to a different part of the country & meeting a whole new group of friends (nobody from kid’s high school attended the OOS school). If kid had stayed in-state, would have been an hour from home & would have hung out with same friends as in high school.

Only a fraction of what you learn in college is in the classroom. While in-state publics often “get the job done,” going OOS can foster more personal growth.

I think this is a really good reason, and it does make sense if you can get aid such that the coa is about the same or less as attending in state.

Otherwise, for most people, going oos to not a flagship/higher ranked school than the in state without any aid makes no financial sense.

DCUM skews wealthy, so a lot of posters don't realize that the vast majority of people in this country cannot afford the high oos coa without any aid.

The only people I know who send their kids to an oos public are those who are umc, and that goes for DC area and CA where I'm originally from. The majority of people in this country are not umc, and they don't get that much FA. That is why in state flagships are so popular.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

The ACC region is still seething that UMD monetized it’s location and left them treading water their inferior value.

DC is a pro sports town. Maybe that is why UMD's football attendance is woeful.

Nobody gives AF about Maryland football

Now that they can't tell recruits they will play blue bloods every season, basketball is heading in the same direction. One sweet 16 since joining the Big10 is pretty sad

UMD

The B1G 10 most recent basketball national champions in both men’s and women’s

Third most conference championships since joining

Higher incoming SATs of all schools except northwestern and michigan.

Top 10 public university research budget

3rd most valuable media market in the B1G.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

probably because it's true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

probably because it's true.

Because you are offended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the wacko aspect of an employee's religious faith doesn't affect their job performance, then it is also discrimination. Against the law plain and simple. You are violating the law all the time it seems. Wow. Do you even know about Title VII?

It demonstrates poor judgment and potential HR issues done the line.

The law disagrees.

Nope. It would affect job performance and employee retention. No one wants to work with nutters.

So you do discriminate on the basis of religion?

No discrimination. I just don’t hire people with bad judgment and poor social skills. Many (most?) that I do hire are religious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

probably because it's true.

Because you are offended.

nah. I had actually never even heard of the phrase 13th year till recently, but I don't really care. A lot of kids in CA (where I'm from) go to the same colleges with their classmates. No one cares. This is a DC snobbery thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NY State blows Virginia out of the water in regards to state schools.

First any family in NY making 125k AGI or less there is zero tuition.

A family making 200k easily qualified after 401k, FSA, Mortgage interest deductions.

NYS has four flag ships. It is valid at 64 State University Schools and 25 CUNY schools.

You could go Baruch in Manhattan no Tuition or StonyBrook on Long Island no tuition.

California says hi.

California does not have free tuition at its public universities. Only for community colleges and first two years only. And it is less than $80k HHI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

But no one calls it 13th grade anymore. UVA is far too difficult to get into. And if you know someone there, they will tell you that you never see those that they know because of 26,900 students down there. Our private high school sent only two students, the valedictorian and salutatorian- they ever saw each other. Those Eagle Scouts that went from our son’s troop also says they never saw each other and lost contact

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

-1
That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos

dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why.

? I'm not offended by it. IMO, the the ^^PP who called it 13th grade probably did so because their DC got rejected to the flagship.

I'm originally from CA, and we have a very different opinion about going in state (yes, I know why.. CA has a lot more great options). So, even in the DC area, it doesn't bother me that going in state = 13th grade, especially if that in state is the flagship that has an amazing national reputation.

If you weren’t offended then why did you say the PP’s kid probably got rejected?

13th grade is 13th grade. Regardless of where PP’s kids were accepted.

probably because it's true.

Because you are offended.

nah. I had actually never even heard of the phrase 13th year till recently, but I don't really care. A lot of kids in CA (where I'm from) go to the same colleges with their classmates. No one cares. This is a DC snobbery thing.

Clearly you bought in if you assume PP says that only because their kid didn’t get in.