Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I should have said, so mediocre in STEM.

Just engineering--and that's because it's also one of the smallest flagships and the state has strong engineering programs elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I should have said, so mediocre in STEM.

Just engineering--and that's because it's also one of the smallest flagships and the state has strong engineering programs elsewhere.

Small alumni base poor in STEMand low research budget. Doesn’t fit the B1G.
Maybe the SEC some day.

[Anonymous]

uva is a fine acc school excellent in the non rigorous majors.

this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

The ACC region is still seething that UMD monetized it’s location and left them treading water their inferior value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

After JMU's manhandling of them the week prior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

The ACC region is still seething that UMD monetized it’s location and left them treading water their inferior value.

DC is a pro sports town. Maybe that is why UMD's football attendance is woeful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with UMD but Virginia has better affordable options for the highest achievers; it just does. I grew up in Virginia and went to UVA. I would also have been happy at W&M, or at least I considered going there. In-state was what my parents could afford and it was a fantastic deal. My family is in Maryland and I do not want to limit my kids to in-state.

Highest achievers ?

UMD alum

Larry David - Seinfeld
Jim Henson- muppets
David Simon - the wire
Kenny Kramm- FlavorX
Alex Severinsky - hybrid engine
Harry Smith- pulse Doppler radar
Kevin Plank- underarmour
Sergey Brin - Google
George Laurer - the Universal Price Bar Code
Robert Briskman - launched Sirius Satellite
James Clark - soft contact lenses
Robert Fischell- artificial pancreas, flexible artery stents , rechargeable pacemaker

Russell Marker- the octane system
Tim Sweeney- Epic Games / Fortnite
George Danzig- linear programming
Carl Bernstein- Broke Watergate


Much larger achievers and world/culture/economic impact than any UVA grass of modern times. Additionally UMD has more Nobel, Pulitzer, Academy Award, Emmy, Fields medal alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. That’s why it’s in the B1G 10.

That’s why it’s the joke of the B1G 10 you mean. It’s one of the doormats of the conference.

It has the 3rd highest incoming SAT scores, 4th highest research budget and the 3rd most conference championships. Plus brings one of the most valuable media markets and is located inside the beltway of the Worlds most powerful city.
Picked top 5 in the league this year. A good test will be manhandling uva early in the season.

The ACC region is still seething that UMD monetized it’s location and left them treading water their inferior value.

DC is a pro sports town. Maybe that is why UMD's football attendance is woeful.

Nobody gives AF about Maryland football

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In state = 13th Grade

+1

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in. It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.

[Anonymous]

DC chose OOS Flagship as it is much better than any instate options. UVA is not good for engineering, and DC’s school is better than VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC chose OOS Flagship as it is much better than any instate options. UVA is not good for engineering, and DC’s school is better than VT.

You've said this before, but you won't provide the name of the school. Too funny.

[Anonymous]

To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

You discriminate on the basis of religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

You discriminate on the basis of religion?

Sure sounds like she does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To circle back to the initial post (not to dismiss 10 pages of how UMD is amazing), I think the OOS Flagship appeal is pretty simple….Unless your kid literally goes to the top 10 schools in the country on the upside OR an online school OR some religious small school in the middle of nowhere on the downside, the specific college doesn’t matter. When I look at resume, I check to see if they are some kind of religious whack or if they got a PhD from a for-profit school. Other than that, they fall into the same 95% that checks the box for college education but is not going to profoundly impact their future. Of course, what they do during their four years matters, but not the degree itself.

So, kids want to go where they’re going to have a great time and be able to study what they want. Some want SLACs because they want small classes, personalization and attention, which is great. Others want to go to football games, hang out on large campuses and be part of a city that exists because of students like them. Also wonderful.

I understand the money argument, but the difference between a mid-size in-state school and an OOS flagship isn’t material to many people. That might sound obnoxious, but it’s true.

Anyway, particularly as I visited a few flagships in various states, I understand the appeal.

You discriminate on the basis of religion?

PP said “religious whack” not just religious people.

It’s the nutjob aspect that most people find difficult to work with. Not the actual religion.