Glad MCPS is getting sued

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We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+100

No need to force LGBTQIA affirming curriculum on everyone.

And by "affirming", you mean "acknowledging the existence of".

Do you put idea of gender change in head of your 5 years old? It's just madness to expect all parents wanting to discuss gender change or inside not matching outside with their 5 years old.

No 5 years old is going to think about gender change unless parents themselves put this idea in their head and now the same parents want all 5 years old to hear this.

I neither care about any religion or LGBTQ agenda.

Nobody is requiring you to discuss gender change with your five-year-old. You don't have to worry about that. You can put your mind at ease.

Not the PP, but assuming you are very familiar with it.

How does 5 years old gets exposed to gender change. I mean how do they even start thinking about it. Is it parents putting this idea in kid's head? I am just curious.

Assuming that you are sincerely curious, here is a good place to start reading: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

It's hilarious to see how intolerant LGBT group is when it comes to rights of other group. They don't even want opt out, they want all kids to sit and listen to LGBT stories.

It's hilarious to see how intolerant LGBTQ groups are of other groups who deny their humanity and existence! Hilarious, I tell you!

[Anonymous]

This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

[Anonymous]

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We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+100

No need to force LGBTQIA affirming curriculum on everyone.

And by "affirming", you mean "acknowledging the existence of".

Do you put idea of gender change in head of your 5 years old? It's just madness to expect all parents wanting to discuss gender change or inside not matching outside with their 5 years old.

No 5 years old is going to think about gender change unless parents themselves put this idea in their head and now the same parents want all 5 years old to hear this.

I neither care about any religion or LGBTQ agenda.

Nobody is requiring you to discuss gender change with your five-year-old. You don't have to worry about that. You can put your mind at ease.

Not the PP, but assuming you are very familiar with it.

How does 5 years old gets exposed to gender change. I mean how do they even start thinking about it. Is it parents putting this idea in kid's head? I am just curious.

Assuming that you are sincerely curious, here is a good place to start reading: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

So by 5-6, all kids make their choice by themselves without input from parents about what gender they belong to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

Or promote school choice!

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We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+100

No need to force LGBTQIA affirming curriculum on everyone.

And by "affirming", you mean "acknowledging the existence of".

Do you put idea of gender change in head of your 5 years old? It's just madness to expect all parents wanting to discuss gender change or inside not matching outside with their 5 years old.

No 5 years old is going to think about gender change unless parents themselves put this idea in their head and now the same parents want all 5 years old to hear this.

I neither care about any religion or LGBTQ agenda.

Nobody is requiring you to discuss gender change with your five-year-old. You don't have to worry about that. You can put your mind at ease.

Not the PP, but assuming you are very familiar with it.

How does 5 years old gets exposed to gender change. I mean how do they even start thinking about it. Is it parents putting this idea in kid's head? I am just curious.

Assuming that you are sincerely curious, here is a good place to start reading: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

So by 5-6, all kids make their choice by themselves without input from parents about what gender they belong to?

I guess you weren't sincerely curious, after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

I don't care about who is transgender or religious or whatever. They can do whatever they want. Yes, kids talk and you can't stop it, but if MCPS starts having non-appropriate books for age then I will have trouble with that. Taking example from you post, if MCPS starts having some novel with 69 read to kids, I will sue the MCPS including teacher who reads such books.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+100

No need to force LGBTQIA affirming curriculum on everyone.

And by "affirming", you mean "acknowledging the existence of".

Do you put idea of gender change in head of your 5 years old? It's just madness to expect all parents wanting to discuss gender change or inside not matching outside with their 5 years old.

No 5 years old is going to think about gender change unless parents themselves put this idea in their head and now the same parents want all 5 years old to hear this.

I neither care about any religion or LGBTQ agenda.

Nobody is requiring you to discuss gender change with your five-year-old. You don't have to worry about that. You can put your mind at ease.

Not the PP, but assuming you are very familiar with it.

How does 5 years old gets exposed to gender change. I mean how do they even start thinking about it. Is it parents putting this idea in kid's head? I am just curious.

Assuming that you are sincerely curious, here is a good place to start reading: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

So by 5-6, all kids make their choice by themselves without input from parents about what gender they belong to?

I guess you weren't sincerely curious, after all.

I did read the link you gave. That's what link claims.

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Anonymous wrote:
We've done away with all things Halloween for elementary children. Tons of families associate it with demonic things and it doesn't align with their religions and values. MCPS made it the autumn festival or harvest or whatever to make it inclusive and no more costumes. We adapted and decided that those who celebrate Halloween can do so after school. We do not make the kids who do not celebrate feel irrational, less than or that something is wrong with them; we just do not spend time on it in school.

Tons of families have issues with this LGBTQIA affirming curriculum for a variety of reasons--religious, feel it is not age appropriate, much of it is still being debated and understood....why are these families viewed as irrational, intolerant or less than? Pride parade away, change your gender, discuss ad nauseam how the inside doesn't match your outside....but do it outside of school.

+100

No need to force LGBTQIA affirming curriculum on everyone.

And by "affirming", you mean "acknowledging the existence of".

Do you put idea of gender change in head of your 5 years old? It's just madness to expect all parents wanting to discuss gender change or inside not matching outside with their 5 years old.

No 5 years old is going to think about gender change unless parents themselves put this idea in their head and now the same parents want all 5 years old to hear this.

I neither care about any religion or LGBTQ agenda.

Nobody is requiring you to discuss gender change with your five-year-old. You don't have to worry about that. You can put your mind at ease.

Not the PP, but assuming you are very familiar with it.

How does 5 years old gets exposed to gender change. I mean how do they even start thinking about it. Is it parents putting this idea in kid's head? I am just curious.

Assuming that you are sincerely curious, here is a good place to start reading: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

So by 5-6, all kids make their choice by themselves without input from parents about what gender they belong to?

I guess you weren't sincerely curious, after all.

I did read the link you gave. That's what link claims.

No, it doesn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

I don't care about who is transgender or religious or whatever. They can do whatever they want. Yes, kids talk and you can't stop it, but if MCPS starts having non-appropriate books for age then I will have trouble with that. Taking example from you post, if MCPS starts having some novel with 69 read to kids, I will sue the MCPS including teacher who reads such books.

What is age-inappropriate in these books? Sincerely. Other than the existence of LGBTQ individuals, what content is inappropriate? There are no sexual activities taking place. No bad words. No violence. What do you object to other than the premise that LGBTQ individuals exist and that there's nothing wrong with that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

So do you suggest, we should start having books about 69 for 5 years old in MCPS?

There is age for certain thing.

Oh no - did miss the page of Pride Puppy where anyone was having sex? That would definitely be inappropriate for young children.

Yes, there are appropriate ages for things. The existence of LGBTQ individuals is perfectly appropriate for young children.

Do you freak out about children watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade? Santa and Mrs. Clause both there?!? You know they must occasionally have sex. Showing up together in the parade exposes children to the existence of hetero marriage. Won't someone think of the children?!?

If you don't mind your 5 year old knowing that straight people exist, you shouldn't mind them knowing that gay people exist. You don't need to have a discussion of sexual acts in connection with that conversation anymore than you need to discuss sexual acts of hetero couples with your 5 year old. Which is to say, not at all.

5 years don't really think about hetero or homo. No need to starts telling them anything about it.

[Anonymous]

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5 years don't really think about hetero or homo. No need to starts telling them anything about it.

For example, certainly don't take your child to The Little Mermaid. I hear she has a hetero relationship at the end. There's also a song about hetero kissing. You wouldn't want to have discuss that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkGFCGNvwzc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a stupid argument. You can't put the horse back in the barn. Kids are still exposed to each other at school, and they are going to hear things.

My 6 year old told me the other day that one of her classmates said they were transgender. I asked DD what that meant to her - she said the classmate said they can go to whichever bathroom they want and sometimes feel like a boy and sometimes like a girl.

Now, I have no idea if the classmate is transgender and don't care. Just putting this out there to remind you all how schools work. Kids talk, hear things, say things. They are going to be exposed to things beyond the safety of your home's walls. My 10-year-old came home one day asking what 69 was because some boys were talking about it at recess. This has been going on as long as schools were a thing. Banning books is not going to keep your kids from learning about these things.

If you want to ensure your child is not exposed to anything you disagree with, the only option you have is to keep them home at all times.

Getting rid of Pride Puppy is like putting a bandaid on a collander. It's pointless. Much better to be part of the discussion your kids are having, so you can: (1) make sure they're getting accurate information, and (2) help them work through their own thoughts on it.

I don't care about who is transgender or religious or whatever. They can do whatever they want. Yes, kids talk and you can't stop it, but if MCPS starts having non-appropriate books for age then I will have trouble with that. Taking example from you post, if MCPS starts having some novel with 69 read to kids, I will sue the MCPS including teacher who reads such books.

What is age-inappropriate in these books? Sincerely. Other than the existence of LGBTQ individuals, what content is inappropriate? There are no sexual activities taking place. No bad words. No violence. What do you object to other than the premise that LGBTQ individuals exist and that there's nothing wrong with that?

That's the content they find inappropriate and objectionable.

[Anonymous]

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5 years don't really think about hetero or homo. No need to starts telling them anything about it.

For example, certainly don't take your child to The Little Mermaid. I hear she has a hetero relationship at the end. There's also a song about hetero kissing. You wouldn't want to have discuss that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkGFCGNvwzc

Agree here.

All 5 years should be exposed to gay, transgender, binaries, or whatever 100 definition is there. Since they exist, political agenda should be formed to have books for each.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Guess what happens when you teach kids about kids whose families look different than theirs? You raise kind, inclusive, accepting kids. Every time I read a post from someone who has a problem with the books, I think they’re unkind and bigoted and deeply insecure and probably uneducated. You’re on the wrong side of history and you’re certainly not representing any religion I’d want to be part of. But go ahead and spend your money litigating.

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NP here. I think many people in favor of book banning or being able to opt out of books featuring people in the LGBTQ+ community are missing the real point of these books. They aren't trying to teach your kids that trans people exist. They are trying to teach your kids to understand their peers that are in class with them. You can't ban them or erase their existence, as much as someone might want to.

This is public school. MCPS is full of a wonderful diversity of people. You might not like kids of a certain religion or race or culture or sexual orientation or gender expression or ... or ... or ... But as long as you are sending your kids to public school they are going to be interacting with other children you may not approve of. It is MCPS' job to make school a welcoming place for all students, and part of that is teaching all students to be welcoming to all. And that is why books representing the diversity of our students in every way belong in the classroom and why the school shouldn't allow parents to opt out their kids from reading them.

So do you think kids need books on Christianity and Islam in elementary school so that they can understand the kids in the class whose families worship differently?