Gosselins

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine what an effective tool for controlling your litter of kids - show them that refusing to obey gets you sent away to kid prison and totally cut off from your family and friends.

Seriously, Collin’s institutionalization probably traumatized all the kids. Having grown up with a mother like Kate myself, I’m certain that all of those kids who still align with her are young enough that they haven’t begun to see the sick family system for what it is and her for who she is. I would stake a bet that in another decade one or more of them will be estranged from her. She is seriously warped, her estrangement from her whole family of origin and all the neighbors and friends who helped with those babies for months and years is all the evidence you need but oh yeah, colossal exploitation of her kids too . . . Kate is simply not a good person.

Kate is not your mom. Why are you so invested in this family you've never met? Sounds like Collin was terrorizing his family before he left and has turned into a violent homophobe. It doesn't sound like some of his siblings will miss him.

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That one Syracuse professor they interviewed - do you think he hunted Mady down to talk to her about her experiences? Do you think he invited Mady to speak to some of his classes? He must have felt like he hit pay dirt when Mady enrolled at Syracuse.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these kids have so much emotional/mental trauma. Mady seems to be just an extension of Kate, and has zero problems writing off family members. If what she is saying is true, I can understand being upset and not agreeing, but how about we educate and explain how that behavior makes you feel? Since she hasn’t seen him since he was 12 I’m more inclined to think he said something that she deemed hateful and/or violent and used that as an excuse to alienate him from her life. Toxic family members are a real thing and I absolutely understand cutting them off (I’ve had to do it) but teenagers are immature and don’t understand consequences of their words. Hopefully when they all grow up (and Kate is in a nursing home) they’ll all see how ridiculous this is and reconnect.

She explicitly stated that he has physically threatened her or someone in her family as recently as this last year. This isn't from when he was 12.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time accepting that in a family with two dysfunctional parents and kids raised on television in an exploitative environment from essentially birth, there can be more than one person behaving badly.

Kate had Collin committed, and 1) didn't tell his dad, and 2) rarely or barely visited him. Those two data points are horrific. It doesn't mean that she had *no reason* to commit him other than she's picking on him. Now you have another kid in the family getting death threats for 'not taking Collin's side,' and when she details his terrible behavior you jump to "she's nothing but an extension of Kate" instead of hearing what is being said. I get why people don't like Kate Gosselin - she's not a sympathetic figure. But you are writing off every piece of evidence that doesn't align with your preconceived notion of "Kate Monster, Jon good, Collin victim, all other kids puppets" and it's really dumb.

He was only *11* when she had him committed full-time to a residential facility for apparently years. That shouldn’t happen unless the child is very, very sick in a permanent way, which is clearly not the case for Collin. Further, she hid him from Jon. I unfortunately am adjacent to the special needs behavioral world, and even the sickest kid in that age range I know has only spent brief periods institutionalized.

What is almost certainly the case is that Collin was a more difficult kid that Kate made worse with poor, harsh parenting. This is the *classic* spiral for kids with oppositional behaviors. Then because Kate had too many kids she couldn’t cope in any way except institutionalizing him. She didn’t even have the minimum maternal instinct or self-awareness to get him placed with a relative … such as his own father.

Clearly not the case? Almost certainly? Why should anyone take you seriously? You don't even know these people.

I don’t know them, but I know disruptive behaviors and large families. Institutionalizing a kid for 3 years with no dx other than ADHD is very, very unusual. The fact that Jon got full custody and got him released speaks volumes.

So probably more than ADHD going on. Why do you think we have the full picture of what's going on with him? It speaks volumes that he was institutionalized for that long. You don't know everything.

If there was something more going on, he would have that diagnosis. Kids don’t get stuck in those places for *years* unless they are severely sick. Collin has been living successfully in the community for years, graduated from a mainstream HS, is enlisting in the military. Kate got him institutionalized to get rid of him - because she could pay for it. She didn’t even fight for custody in the end.

Are you for real? He probably does have the diagnosis and the family knows as well. But to not violate his privacy, make it difficult for him to get a job some day, avoid stigmas, and many other reasons they aren't going to fully disclose what's going on. You don't know these people.

A kid with a serious diagnosis does not spend 3 years institutionalized (starting as a pre-teen!) then get out and get mainstreamed just fine and enlist in the army. Pediatric mental health doesn’t work that way. She was warehousing him. It’s totally obvious.

Mainstreamed just fine? What about the claims that his dad abused him and kicked his ass? Threatening his sister? He doesn't seem to be doing great.

Of course there are rough spots - being institututionalized from 12-15 will really have lasting harms. But he graduated on time, did ROTC and is enlisting. This appears to be a stable kid.

It's kind of neat how you've managed to create a narrative where if he "mainstreams just fine" it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he has a hard time mainstreaming it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he joins the military it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he flunks out of basic or ends up dishonorably discharged it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong: there are no other endings in this choose your own adventure. He says his dad abused him and that's a "rough spot." Now he says his mom abused him and that's a Yahtzee.

Kate sucks. Jon sucks too. Seems like Collin sucks as well, though we can probably all agree he might have had better odds in a different family.

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Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

After learning what was going on behind the scene with the Duggars and the Gosselins, and Jacob Roloff coming forward about being molested by a producer, I feel ashamed that I ever enjoyed any of these shows or watched TLC. Not making that mistake again. They are really scummy.

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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

After learning what was going on behind the scene with the Duggars and the Gosselins, and Jacob Roloff coming forward about being molested by a producer, I feel ashamed that I ever enjoyed any of these shows or watched TLC. Not making that mistake again. They are really scummy.

Agree. I feel like TLC 20 years ago was very different. It started out trying to be more educational, but then really lost its way. I don't watch any of the current family shows and didn't watch much of the Duggars, Gosselins or Roloffs. I can't believe there are new families on the channel now. Outdaughtered is one, but I've never seen it. Haven't people learned anything? The families never end up better off after these experiences. It's one thing if adults want to make asses out of themselves but kids should not be part of any of it. I will admit to watching Dr Pimple Popper, I do find that educational and interesting and I hope people are being helped, not exploited. But heck no to all the other stuff about dysfunctional families.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these kids have so much emotional/mental trauma. Mady seems to be just an extension of Kate, and has zero problems writing off family members. If what she is saying is true, I can understand being upset and not agreeing, but how about we educate and explain how that behavior makes you feel? Since she hasn’t seen him since he was 12 I’m more inclined to think he said something that she deemed hateful and/or violent and used that as an excuse to alienate him from her life. Toxic family members are a real thing and I absolutely understand cutting them off (I’ve had to do it) but teenagers are immature and don’t understand consequences of their words. Hopefully when they all grow up (and Kate is in a nursing home) they’ll all see how ridiculous this is and reconnect.

She explicitly stated that he has physically threatened her or someone in her family as recently as this last year. This isn't from when he was 12.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time accepting that in a family with two dysfunctional parents and kids raised on television in an exploitative environment from essentially birth, there can be more than one person behaving badly.

Kate had Collin committed, and 1) didn't tell his dad, and 2) rarely or barely visited him. Those two data points are horrific. It doesn't mean that she had *no reason* to commit him other than she's picking on him. Now you have another kid in the family getting death threats for 'not taking Collin's side,' and when she details his terrible behavior you jump to "she's nothing but an extension of Kate" instead of hearing what is being said. I get why people don't like Kate Gosselin - she's not a sympathetic figure. But you are writing off every piece of evidence that doesn't align with your preconceived notion of "Kate Monster, Jon good, Collin victim, all other kids puppets" and it's really dumb.

He was only *11* when she had him committed full-time to a residential facility for apparently years. That shouldn’t happen unless the child is very, very sick in a permanent way, which is clearly not the case for Collin. Further, she hid him from Jon. I unfortunately am adjacent to the special needs behavioral world, and even the sickest kid in that age range I know has only spent brief periods institutionalized.

What is almost certainly the case is that Collin was a more difficult kid that Kate made worse with poor, harsh parenting. This is the *classic* spiral for kids with oppositional behaviors. Then because Kate had too many kids she couldn’t cope in any way except institutionalizing him. She didn’t even have the minimum maternal instinct or self-awareness to get him placed with a relative … such as his own father.

Clearly not the case? Almost certainly? Why should anyone take you seriously? You don't even know these people.

I don’t know them, but I know disruptive behaviors and large families. Institutionalizing a kid for 3 years with no dx other than ADHD is very, very unusual. The fact that Jon got full custody and got him released speaks volumes.

So probably more than ADHD going on. Why do you think we have the full picture of what's going on with him? It speaks volumes that he was institutionalized for that long. You don't know everything.

If there was something more going on, he would have that diagnosis. Kids don’t get stuck in those places for *years* unless they are severely sick. Collin has been living successfully in the community for years, graduated from a mainstream HS, is enlisting in the military. Kate got him institutionalized to get rid of him - because she could pay for it. She didn’t even fight for custody in the end.

Are you for real? He probably does have the diagnosis and the family knows as well. But to not violate his privacy, make it difficult for him to get a job some day, avoid stigmas, and many other reasons they aren't going to fully disclose what's going on. You don't know these people.

A kid with a serious diagnosis does not spend 3 years institutionalized (starting as a pre-teen!) then get out and get mainstreamed just fine and enlist in the army. Pediatric mental health doesn’t work that way. She was warehousing him. It’s totally obvious.

Mainstreamed just fine? What about the claims that his dad abused him and kicked his ass? Threatening his sister? He doesn't seem to be doing great.

Of course there are rough spots - being institututionalized from 12-15 will really have lasting harms. But he graduated on time, did ROTC and is enlisting. This appears to be a stable kid.

It's kind of neat how you've managed to create a narrative where if he "mainstreams just fine" it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he has a hard time mainstreaming it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he joins the military it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he flunks out of basic or ends up dishonorably discharged it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong: there are no other endings in this choose your own adventure. He says his dad abused him and that's a "rough spot." Now he says his mom abused him and that's a Yahtzee.

Kate sucks. Jon sucks too. Seems like Collin sucks as well, though we can probably all agree he might have had better odds in a different family.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady Gosselin's statement about Colin:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mady-gosselin-accuses-brother-collin-125943091.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEo4Kk24ROj5rOZKSsJHiIrV71kWbFxkYnGSNZeNvMyFvpVglFQX8_MfmjGPF81p0klRuhKakJAGRGRl2f8lIY3_NJLSYtoSlNSK6xZUOY4CjsOiriQqhlbmlxa0I-1JvQS0P4wRvqjBeLWsvyxlYgsDePwbBWDNvM2s27mOkOiB

It's all very odd because multiple sources have said Mady and several of the other siblings haven't seen or spoken to Collin since he was institutionalized at age 12. Still several missing pieces.

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The thing that is telling to me with Collin is that even after all he's been through he didn't end up a drug addicted teenage criminal. I think he needed attention and care that Kate was unable to give him. He has turned out pretty darn well for someone who I'm sure has PTSD and attachment disorders from the troubled teen program along with his ADHD because of his mothers abandonment of him as a child.

He's obviously not the star out of the six of them and I'm sure is the most troubled (I'd be surprised if he can qualify to join the military with his medical history, they don't let you in if you've been on adhd meds in the last two years and they're picky with diagnosed psychological issues), but he graduated from high school, he's had a job and hopefully his father can guide him twards a nice vocational degree if he can't get in the military.

Kate and his siblings act like he's a drug addicted criminal who spent his entire teenage years making their lives a living nightmare (which can't be true because they haven't spent time with him since he was twelve).

There are young teens who act out inappropriately in a sexual manor but it's rare for that to happen to a child that age who hasn't been sexually abused himself. I can't imagine that Hannah would be supporting him if he'd done something that terrible and I'd imagine that Kate would have threatened to call the police or leak something if this was the issue so that they didn't say anything, and it's not just Collin who wasn't speaking to the rest of the siblings. They wouldn't speak to Hannah either. They barely have a relationship with her.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that is telling to me with Collin is that even after all he's been through he didn't end up a drug addicted teenage criminal. I think he needed attention and care that Kate was unable to give him. He has turned out pretty darn well for someone who I'm sure has PTSD and attachment disorders from the troubled teen program along with his ADHD because of his mothers abandonment of him as a child.

He's obviously not the star out of the six of them and I'm sure is the most troubled (I'd be surprised if he can qualify to join the military with his medical history, they don't let you in if you've been on adhd meds in the last two years and they're picky with diagnosed psychological issues), but he graduated from high school, he's had a job and hopefully his father can guide him twards a nice vocational degree if he can't get in the military.

Kate and his siblings act like he's a drug addicted criminal who spent his entire teenage years making their lives a living nightmare (which can't be true because they haven't spent time with him since he was twelve).

There are young teens who act out inappropriately in a sexual manor but it's rare for that to happen to a child that age who hasn't been sexually abused himself. I can't imagine that Hannah would be supporting him if he'd done something that terrible and I'd imagine that Kate would have threatened to call the police or leak something if this was the issue so that they didn't say anything, and it's not just Collin who wasn't speaking to the rest of the siblings. They wouldn't speak to Hannah either. They barely have a relationship with her.

The difference I see is that his siblings know him and you don't and lived in the same home for 12 years. I'm not sure why you think you have all the information from the snippets you've seen or read about in tabloids. He's 19, it's not like he's held down a job for years, kept his nose clean, or maintained successful relationships. Time will tell.

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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

After learning what was going on behind the scene with the Duggars and the Gosselins, and Jacob Roloff coming forward about being molested by a producer, I feel ashamed that I ever enjoyed any of these shows or watched TLC. Not making that mistake again. They are really scummy.

Same. I wish I’d never watched.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these kids have so much emotional/mental trauma. Mady seems to be just an extension of Kate, and has zero problems writing off family members. If what she is saying is true, I can understand being upset and not agreeing, but how about we educate and explain how that behavior makes you feel? Since she hasn’t seen him since he was 12 I’m more inclined to think he said something that she deemed hateful and/or violent and used that as an excuse to alienate him from her life. Toxic family members are a real thing and I absolutely understand cutting them off (I’ve had to do it) but teenagers are immature and don’t understand consequences of their words. Hopefully when they all grow up (and Kate is in a nursing home) they’ll all see how ridiculous this is and reconnect.

She explicitly stated that he has physically threatened her or someone in her family as recently as this last year. This isn't from when he was 12.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time accepting that in a family with two dysfunctional parents and kids raised on television in an exploitative environment from essentially birth, there can be more than one person behaving badly.

Kate had Collin committed, and 1) didn't tell his dad, and 2) rarely or barely visited him. Those two data points are horrific. It doesn't mean that she had *no reason* to commit him other than she's picking on him. Now you have another kid in the family getting death threats for 'not taking Collin's side,' and when she details his terrible behavior you jump to "she's nothing but an extension of Kate" instead of hearing what is being said. I get why people don't like Kate Gosselin - she's not a sympathetic figure. But you are writing off every piece of evidence that doesn't align with your preconceived notion of "Kate Monster, Jon good, Collin victim, all other kids puppets" and it's really dumb.

He was only *11* when she had him committed full-time to a residential facility for apparently years. That shouldn’t happen unless the child is very, very sick in a permanent way, which is clearly not the case for Collin. Further, she hid him from Jon. I unfortunately am adjacent to the special needs behavioral world, and even the sickest kid in that age range I know has only spent brief periods institutionalized.

What is almost certainly the case is that Collin was a more difficult kid that Kate made worse with poor, harsh parenting. This is the *classic* spiral for kids with oppositional behaviors. Then because Kate had too many kids she couldn’t cope in any way except institutionalizing him. She didn’t even have the minimum maternal instinct or self-awareness to get him placed with a relative … such as his own father.

Clearly not the case? Almost certainly? Why should anyone take you seriously? You don't even know these people.

I don’t know them, but I know disruptive behaviors and large families. Institutionalizing a kid for 3 years with no dx other than ADHD is very, very unusual. The fact that Jon got full custody and got him released speaks volumes.

So probably more than ADHD going on. Why do you think we have the full picture of what's going on with him? It speaks volumes that he was institutionalized for that long. You don't know everything.

If there was something more going on, he would have that diagnosis. Kids don’t get stuck in those places for *years* unless they are severely sick. Collin has been living successfully in the community for years, graduated from a mainstream HS, is enlisting in the military. Kate got him institutionalized to get rid of him - because she could pay for it. She didn’t even fight for custody in the end.

Are you for real? He probably does have the diagnosis and the family knows as well. But to not violate his privacy, make it difficult for him to get a job some day, avoid stigmas, and many other reasons they aren't going to fully disclose what's going on. You don't know these people.

A kid with a serious diagnosis does not spend 3 years institutionalized (starting as a pre-teen!) then get out and get mainstreamed just fine and enlist in the army. Pediatric mental health doesn’t work that way. She was warehousing him. It’s totally obvious.

Mainstreamed just fine? What about the claims that his dad abused him and kicked his ass? Threatening his sister? He doesn't seem to be doing great.

Of course there are rough spots - being institututionalized from 12-15 will really have lasting harms. But he graduated on time, did ROTC and is enlisting. This appears to be a stable kid.

It's kind of neat how you've managed to create a narrative where if he "mainstreams just fine" it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he has a hard time mainstreaming it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he joins the military it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong, if he flunks out of basic or ends up dishonorably discharged it proves he shouldn't have been institutionalized and Mom was wrong: there are no other endings in this choose your own adventure. He says his dad abused him and that's a "rough spot." Now he says his mom abused him and that's a Yahtzee.

Kate sucks. Jon sucks too. Seems like Collin sucks as well, though we can probably all agree he might have had better odds in a different family.

That’s not at all true. If he was getting arrested, attempting suicide, delusional, then I’d think the institutionalization was valid. But since he seems to be stable it raises major questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

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Kate and the show damaged all those kids in different ways. As much as Collin was the problem child, she also had favourites. Different kids had completely different experiences growing up in that home.

It is quite possible that at 11, Collin did have an aggressive outburst given how he was treated in the home and that was what Kate had been waiting for to send him away.

The evilness shines thorugh in the leaving him unloved and unwanted for 3 years and not telling Jon where he was. And then Jon needing to spend hundreds of thousands to get him out and to fight for cusotody of the two kids that wanted to live with him.

Anyone defending her abuse is no different from defeding any abuser.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.