San Francisco is imploding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol Texas is a lot worst vs SF.

America disagrees with you. They are voting with their feet.

[Anonymous]

For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

I'm hoping for the result to be more moderate voting outcomes.

[Anonymous]

I was in SF a couple of weeks ago - in the 'good areas' - and I had a good time.

The parts that are totally imploding are areas that have long been bad - that doesn't make it okay - in fact it will continue to drag down the city - but for most generic tourists you're fine visiting the city.

Their big problem is the collapse in office space that won't easily be reversed w/in the next 3 yrs.

They need to focus on attractive STEM-related industries that don't necessarily need to be associated with SV. I think that life sciences is an a good target, but others can offer up their thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, that's why everyone is fleeing SF and California in general.

B/c it's just so awesome.

I have family there and they continue to love it (not particularly wealthy - but they've been there for a long time so are less sensitive to housing costs).

California is beautiful and I think it would be a great place to iive if you can afford it - but there in lies the rub.

[Anonymous]

Remember, things in progressive San Francisco are going just ducky...

https://abc7news.com/sf-drugs-fentanyl-crisis-drug-market-crackdown-san-francisco-tenderloin/13200067/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

Nobody is rooting for an exodus from blue states.
We are just stating facts.
I also don't understand those who move to get away from ridiculous policies that have caused a decline in the standard of living in blue cities and then vote for the same kind of politicians who would enact similar policies in their new home. That is the definition of insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

I'm hoping for the result to be more moderate voting outcomes.

+1

I'm not rooting for or against the blue state exodus, but acknowledge it as a reality.

As a former DC resident who moved to FL for job and to be closer to spouse's family, I'd be thrilled to see Florida go purple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

Nobody is rooting for an exodus from blue states.
We are just stating facts.
I also don't understand those who move to get away from ridiculous policies that have caused a decline in the standard of living in blue cities and then vote for the same kind of politicians who would enact similar policies in their new home. That is the definition of insanity.

Standard of living in non-urban red areas has also declined precipitously. Worse than in blue cities by some measures.

The sad story of rural red state America these days is fentanyl, disability fraud, and Dollar Stores.

Folks are fleeing that in droves as well, but are mostly moving to relatively proximate cities.

Turns out that this may be less about red/blue policies and more about macro trends affecting certain classes of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

Nobody is rooting for an exodus from blue states.
We are just stating facts.
I also don't understand those who move to get away from ridiculous policies that have caused a decline in the standard of living in blue cities and then vote for the same kind of politicians who would enact similar policies in their new home. That is the definition of insanity.

They're not moving away due to "ridiculous policies." They're moving away due to lower taxes, cheaper housing, and lower cost of living in red states. But the lower cost of living comes at the expense of public services, infrastructure, and public education, which are inferior in most red states. Eventually, the transplants will change the areas they have moved to, and that change will probably be in a more progressive direction.

[Anonymous]

Feces piles and pot smoke.

Horrible public schools

Massive influx of illegal immigrants and homeless.

That’s what your taxes get you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

Nobody is rooting for an exodus from blue states.
We are just stating facts.
I also don't understand those who move to get away from ridiculous policies that have caused a decline in the standard of living in blue cities and then vote for the same kind of politicians who would enact similar policies in their new home. That is the definition of insanity.

They're not moving away due to "ridiculous policies." They're moving away due to lower taxes, cheaper housing, and lower cost of living in red states. But the lower cost of living comes at the expense of public services, infrastructure, and public education, which are inferior in most red states. Eventually, the transplants will change the areas they have moved to, and that change will probably be in a more progressive direction.

Check that. A more regressive direction. Socialism is regressive and in the end leads to eating zoo animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

I'm not rooting for it. It's just a metric. I can't do anything about it personally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those rooting for an exodus from blue states, you know that means that there will eventually be a shift in voting patterns in red states, right? It's not like the blue-staters are suddenly going to turn MAGA when they move to red states. They will bring their more progressive politics with them and, over time, bring about political change. For example, more liberal voters moving to the South and West may have tipped Georgia and Arizona to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Be careful what you wish for...

Nobody is rooting for an exodus from blue states.
We are just stating facts.
I also don't understand those who move to get away from ridiculous policies that have caused a decline in the standard of living in blue cities and then vote for the same kind of politicians who would enact similar policies in their new home. That is the definition of insanity.

They're not moving away due to "ridiculous policies." They're moving away due to lower taxes, cheaper housing, and lower cost of living in red states. But the lower cost of living comes at the expense of public services, infrastructure, and public education, which are inferior in most red states. Eventually, the transplants will change the areas they have moved to, and that change will probably be in a more progressive direction.

Most likely if the people vote to increase public services, infrastructure, and education, they will probably increase taxes and housing costs will go up for these newly progressive areas and lead to a higher cost of living. But ultimately, that will cause the inequitable outcomes as many will not be able to afford this newly progressive center of living, and so then the social policies will happen next. This will drive taxes even higher. It may even result in more lenient laws to prevent prosecution of the inequitable outcomes the new progressive policies and higher COL efforts created.

Good news is they can just leave when they realize its just too expensive and unsafe.

[Anonymous]

This is so awesome, lol:

CNN reporter robbed while reporting on high crime in SF.