Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

“Admissions denied me for Notre Dame,” Hillman told The Athletic’s Austin Meek. “As you can see, I could have committed to any other school. Notre Dame had requirements I had to meet, and I didn’t meet it.”

“ Once, Hillman announced his release from his Letter of Intent, the offers rolled in. Michigan was joined in offering by Virginia, Boston College, Vanderbilt, UConn, Virginia Tech, LSU, Louisville and Cincinnati.”

ND sounds pretty selective to me. And seems Virginia, Vanderbilt, and BC don’t have as high standards for students. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

“Admissions denied me for Notre Dame,” Hillman told The Athletic’s Austin Meek. “As you can see, I could have committed to any other school. Notre Dame had requirements I had to meet, and I didn’t meet it.”

“ Once, Hillman announced his release from his Letter of Intent, the offers rolled in. Michigan was joined in offering by Virginia, Boston College, Vanderbilt, UConn, Virginia Tech, LSU, Louisville and Cincinnati.”

ND sounds pretty selective to me. And seems Virginia, Vanderbilt, and BC don’t have as high standards for students. Interesting.

Probably because ND doesn’t accept ASL as a foreign language. Such an outdated, discriminatory policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

No one believes your story btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

No one believes your story btw.

That I have a personal connection? LOL ok.

ND is no longer desirable to many applicants because it’s located in woman-hating state and it also has ties to religious extremists.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

No one believes your story btw.

That I have a personal connection? LOL ok.

ND is no longer desirable to many applicants because it’s located in woman-hating state and it also has ties to religious extremists.

LOL. So undesirable that they had a record number of applicants for both RD and REA.
https://ndsmcobserver.com/2023/03/notre-dame-admits-class-of-2027-setting-record-low-acceptance-rate-of-11-9/

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I don’t know anyone who applied there that wasn’t a practicing Catholic. It’s a very self selecting student body.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know anyone who applied there that wasn’t a practicing Catholic. It’s a very self selecting student body.

Plenty of non Catholics but I see nothing wrong with an excellent institution that is a good fit for those who practice Catholicism.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

No one believes your story btw.

That I have a personal connection? LOL ok.

ND is no longer desirable to many applicants because it’s located in woman-hating state and it also has ties to religious extremists.

Then don’t apply. See fixed it for ya.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know anyone who applied there that wasn’t a practicing Catholic. It’s a very self selecting student body.

Plenty of non Catholics but I see nothing wrong with an excellent institution that is a good fit for those who practice Catholicism.

82 percent Catholic. 11 percent Protestant

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

What "happened" to ND?

She is a product of ND and a reflection of many alumni.

Absolutley false.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

Do you know what Evangelicals are? That isn't a term for generic extremists. Evangelical is a specific type of Christian who focuses on "evangelizing" or converting people. Most evangelical christians don't even think Catholics are "true" Christians.
You can make a solid case for some Catholic extremists, but conflating Catholic extremism and evangelicalism just shows a real ignorance on your part of both groups.

A Catholic from Notre Dame who pushes her religion on others sounds like she’s trying to (forcefully) convert others to follow her beliefs.

Justice Coney Barrett is a Notre Dame Law grad, not an ND undergrad. The law school is the most conservative part of the university. That much is clearly true. But it’s only 5 percent of the school.

Hundreds of faculty, including from the law shcool, wrote letters against her appointment. There are conservative and liberal professors and students and graduates in the law school.

Yes, there are, but the conservative voices in the law school drown out the liberal ones by a long shot. It’s pretty depressing. Trust me, of this I know.

That was not my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

Do you know what Evangelicals are? That isn't a term for generic extremists. Evangelical is a specific type of Christian who focuses on "evangelizing" or converting people. Most evangelical christians don't even think Catholics are "true" Christians.
You can make a solid case for some Catholic extremists, but conflating Catholic extremism and evangelicalism just shows a real ignorance on your part of both groups.

A Catholic from Notre Dame who pushes her religion on others sounds like she’s trying to (forcefully) convert others to follow her beliefs.

Justice Coney Barrett is a Notre Dame Law grad, not an ND undergrad. The law school is the most conservative part of the university. That much is clearly true. But it’s only 5 percent of the school.

Hundreds of faculty, including from the law shcool, wrote letters against her appointment. There are conservative and liberal professors and students and graduates in the law school.

Yes, there are, but the conservative voices in the law school drown out the liberal ones by a long shot. It’s pretty depressing. Trust me, of this I know.

That was not my experience.

It wasn’t mine either. But I didn’t graduate yesterday. Things have changed dramatically.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know anyone who applied there that wasn’t a practicing Catholic. It’s a very self selecting student body.

Plenty of non Catholics but I see nothing wrong with an excellent institution that is a good fit for those who practice Catholicism.

82 percent Catholic. 11 percent Protestant

Majority like 65% are Christians in the US

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.

So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.

Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.

True, plus they also attack their high schools if they are Catholic, but the place where they actually developed and honed their legal skills and philosophies gets a pass because it's an orthodox Puritan Ivy. By the way, re: Yale: "Today, of the 65% of the new students who returned their religious information cards back to the Yale Chaplain's Office, an average of 29% self-identified as being Catholic, making Catholicism the single largest religious denomination on Yale's campus." Harvard is 22% Catholic, which reflects the percentage in US population, if you are interested.

https://stm.yale.edu/stm-history

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about a top ND football recruit who had to withdraw his letter of intent to attend the school after he couldn’t get past admissions. That didn’t stop Michigan, Vanderbilt or BC from offering him. The kid ended up at Michigan.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/former-irish-signee-hillman-opens-up-about-why-he-didn-t-end-up-at-nd

“Admissions denied me for Notre Dame,” Hillman told The Athletic’s Austin Meek. “As you can see, I could have committed to any other school. Notre Dame had requirements I had to meet, and I didn’t meet it.”

“ Once, Hillman announced his release from his Letter of Intent, the offers rolled in. Michigan was joined in offering by Virginia, Boston College, Vanderbilt, UConn, Virginia Tech, LSU, Louisville and Cincinnati.”

ND sounds pretty selective to me. And seems Virginia, Vanderbilt, and BC don’t have as high standards for students. Interesting.

Agreed. Notre Dame seems to have forgotten that is was football that made that school famous and improved its academics, and not the other way around.

Probably because ND doesn’t accept ASL as a foreign language. Such an outdated, discriminatory policy.