Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

Do you know what Evangelicals are? That isn't a term for generic extremists. Evangelical is a specific type of Christian who focuses on "evangelizing" or converting people. Most evangelical christians don't even think Catholics are "true" Christians.
You can make a solid case for some Catholic extremists, but conflating Catholic extremism and evangelicalism just shows a real ignorance on your part of both groups.

A Catholic from Notre Dame who pushes her religion on others sounds like she’s trying to (forcefully) convert others to follow her beliefs.

Justice Coney Barrett is a Notre Dame Law grad, not an ND undergrad. The law school is the most conservative part of the university. That much is clearly true. But it’s only 5 percent of the school.

Hundreds of faculty, including from the law shcool, wrote letters against her appointment. There are conservative and liberal professors and students and graduates in the law school.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.

So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.

Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

Do you know what Evangelicals are? That isn't a term for generic extremists. Evangelical is a specific type of Christian who focuses on "evangelizing" or converting people. Most evangelical christians don't even think Catholics are "true" Christians.
You can make a solid case for some Catholic extremists, but conflating Catholic extremism and evangelicalism just shows a real ignorance on your part of both groups.

A Catholic from Notre Dame who pushes her religion on others sounds like she’s trying to (forcefully) convert others to follow her beliefs.

Justice Coney Barrett is a Notre Dame Law grad, not an ND undergrad. The law school is the most conservative part of the university. That much is clearly true. But it’s only 5 percent of the school.

Hundreds of faculty, including from the law shcool, wrote letters against her appointment. There are conservative and liberal professors and students and graduates in the law school.

Yes, there are, but the conservative voices in the law school drown out the liberal ones by a long shot. It’s pretty depressing. Trust me, of this I know.

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I'd be more worried about their football culture than how conservative they are. Have we already forgotten Lizzy Seeberg?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lizzy_Seeberg

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be more worried about their football culture than how conservative they are. Have we already forgotten Lizzy Seeberg?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lizzy_Seeberg

Yawn. Time for some new material.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.

So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.

Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.

Isn’t this a thread about Notre Dame?

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

^ and I had a great time when I was there. Loved the campus and community. I did seriously consider going there.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.

So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.

Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.

Isn’t this a thread about Notre Dame?

Yep. And Justice Coney Barrett isn’t Notre Dame.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

What "happened" to ND?

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ND is the right school for some, and the wrong school for others.
I don't get the obsession arguing against it here.

It's like people being adamant that Julliard is overrated because it's so focused on the arts.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

What do you call someone who clearly has no personal experience with Notre Dame and so little knowledge about the Catholic Church that it labels ND’s administration as “evangelical?”

A bigot.

I do have personal experience with ND. And extremists pushing their religious beliefs on you sounds “evangelical” to me.

Define your personal experience.

I took a class there during HS and almost attended (accepted). I also have family members who are alumni.

The school has great traditions - it’s a shame the school/state is going downhill.

No, you didn’t.

Sure did. Lived on campus too. Almost attended but got into a better school. Plus, I wasn’t crazy about the requirement to take a religious class.

Just because that fact is inconvenient for you doesn’t make it false.

So there you go. You just outed yourself. You didn’t want to take a religion course so you went somewhere else. You’re anti-religion in general and totally close-minded about it, and that colors your views on the entire subject.

Your experience as a high school student who took a summer class at ND ions ago hardly qualifies you as any kind of expert on the school’s current policies or administration. You were just a kid, and obviously a close minded one.

I never claimed to be an expert, just that I had a personal connection to the school.

The primary reason why I didn’t go was because I got into a better school.

I’m not anti-religion. My whole community/family is religious. I’m anti-extremists-pushing-beliefs-on-others.

Anyway, it’s a shame what happened to ND. And Indiana.

What "happened" to ND?

She is a product of ND and a reflection of many alumni.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.

?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.

You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.

What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.

You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.

We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.

So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.

Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.

There are so many clear signs of bigotry in this thread. It is fascinating to see it unfold.