23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math

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Anonymous wrote:Last one, now that I have learned to post pictures. These are all from the MD state released items/practice test 3rd grade Math test:



I think it is tricky, for a third grader. Yes, of course, I think it would be wonderful for all third graders to be able to answer a question like this that shows they are truly able to understand the application of math. Instead of just asking a simple question: "What is the area of this rectangle?"

But - the fact that many students aren't able to answer questions like this doesn't mean they are learning nothing in math. Just that these questions are pretty tricky for them to understand.

I think it's important to point out that a lot of these word problems were made because of allegations from marxists that math is somehow racist against black people - that they can't understand abstract concepts (which is in itself an extremely racist viewpoint but one pushed by many black civil rights advocates). But of course they will understand things like "tyrone has five mixtapes and lost two" or "uncle jim is painting a garage." It is, however, ironic that the black kids in baltimore schools cannot even answer the contextualized questions that the education marxists have forced into the curriculum

This question is somewhat elitist. How many people have garages or paint the floors? I can see why kids can't relate to these problems. They don't make sense.

Noce try -- but no. the problem isn't that some kids don't have garages or paint floors.

I'm the teacher who posted the questions and said that they were too word dependent and convoluted.

I tried the above word problem out on my third grade ESOL students today, individually. These students are pretty good students, academically, IMO.

None of them were able to correctly answer the area of the garage floor question. They didn't understand what was being asked. When I asked "what does the amount of space" mea? Point to that part of the picture ... they pointed to the sides of the rectangle.

But unfortunately they also didn't know how to calculate the area of the square, even when I explained - I said "The question is asking you - what's the area of the rectangle? can you tell that from the lenth of the sides?"

No they could not.

They could finally do it, when I drew all the squares in as a grid, and showed them how to count them all.

If they can't equate the area of a shape to the area of a garage floor, it sounds like you're over estimating them. Baltimore City kids failed these tests, but the rest of the state did fine. These aren't hard questions

It's not just that they didn't understand it; they also didn't actually know the math for the how to calculate area.

Isn't area supposed to be taught in 3rd grade? Doesn't the fact that they don't understand it despite it presumably having been covered indicate something wrong about the teaching? Haven't you seen them calculate area in class, on tests, and inhomework?

You all assume that these kids give a crap. Many do not.

FWIW -- I'm the teacher that question was directed to, the ESOL teacher who gave her third graders the practice Grade 3 Math test just to see what they thought it was asking. I can tell you in this case, the kids DID give a crap and were giving me their honest best effort. They kinda sorta had an understanding of perimeter. It might be that they had more recently been studying perimeter and had forgotten about area. I *know* that the difference between perimeter and area is a problem MANY students have, even in higher grades.

Many students, even those who DO give a crap, who ARE trying hard, just don't understand how to solve problems.
Have you ever seen this video:

https://www.facebook.com/robertkaplinsky/videos/1185856644799424

I am speechless at that video. Yikes. If that's who they are dealing with, it's no wonder nobody passed the test. They have zero common sense.

Welcome to American education, my friend.

The video is 10 years old, I believe. 32 8th graders were asked the question.

https://robertkaplinsky.com/how-old-is-the-shepherd/?fbclid=IwAR0f8VBsW-cK0ip96wL4etpmOPYLL0uuEXwRNogmMqeevsqEtV30aTU2E3Q

It was based on a research from 1986 where similar results were achieved. So this has been a problem for a long time.

*The “How Old Is the Shepherd?” question was popularized by an essay written by Professor Katherine K. Merseth in 1993 and was based on research by Professor Kurt Reusser in a paper presented at the 1986 American Educational Research Association annual meeting. It is noteworthy that Professor Merseth wrote that “researchers report that three out of four schoolchildren will produce a numerical answer to this problem.” Twenty years later that statement still held true.

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How many of these kids were just passed along though false data. How/why did lowly teachers make up fraudulent data to make these kids pass without the required mastery to take on the next level. Why would they risk doing questionable acts at such a low poverty level salary. I will tell you why as an ex teacher. Because we are ordered and intimidated to do so by hostile managers. Thank you very much mcps and also thanks to mcea for pretending to be idiots and having no power or motivation to stick up for master teacher when you know very well the violence, racism, and behavior problems facing teacher throughout the nation especially in this district. I will not be back and I encourage all teachers to quit in a boycott.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of these kids were just passed along though false data. How/why did lowly teachers make up fraudulent data to make these kids pass without the required mastery to take on the next level.

There is little to no "required mastery" to pass a student to the next grade. Teachers have to work VERY HARD to document why they believe a student should not be promoted. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops to retain a child, and it marks you as a bad teacher if you think a child should not be promoted -- better not try it too often!

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Baltimore politicians don’t care about the children at all.

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78% of all Maryland students between 3rd-8th grade are not proficient in math according to the standardized testing.

We are arguing why Baltimore city is 22% less proficient than the rest of the state.

Why aren't we concerned that overall, there are only 22% of students proficient? It's not about garage floors.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of these kids were just passed along though false data. How/why did lowly teachers make up fraudulent data to make these kids pass without the required mastery to take on the next level.

There is little to no "required mastery" to pass a student to the next grade. Teachers have to work VERY HARD to document why they believe a student should not be promoted. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops to retain a child, and it marks you as a bad teacher if you think a child should not be promoted -- better not try it too often!

Baltimore City teacher here. It’s next to impossible to retain a student anymore. I have kids who have failed every subject all year and they still won’t let me retain them. Some of the reasons given are poor attendance, being an English language learner, parents not agreeing to it.

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Anonymous wrote:78% of all Maryland students between 3rd-8th grade are not proficient in math according to the standardized testing.

We are arguing why Baltimore city is 22% less proficient than the rest of the state.

Why aren't we concerned that overall, there are only 22% of students proficient? It's not about garage floors.

When 78% of students failed to pass a test to measure if they have mastered or are proficient the knowledge, the state needs to review their test and remove test materials that are too hard. Public schools should teach to mid 50%, and expect 75% of students pass the the test.
When a teacher is not allowed to fail any student, the state should not fail any student with its test.

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Why not just lower the passing score for the test, for the population?

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Anonymous wrote:78% of all Maryland students between 3rd-8th grade are not proficient in math according to the standardized testing.

We are arguing why Baltimore city is 22% less proficient than the rest of the state.

Why aren't we concerned that overall, there are only 22% of students proficient? It's not about garage floors.

WTF?

And tbh.. the majority of children of all races (aside from asian children who make up a small amount of the student population) are behind.

Im over this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I should buy a house there so my high achieving kid can get into Harvard.

I'm sure your white/Asian kid will greatly appreciate spending their childhood in one of America's most violent, dangerous schools.

It's weird how you're conflating white with asians. I've noticed thats the new thing and it's bizarre. Most white children do not attend schools with asians students. LOL

Most white children in America are behind as well.

This forum behaves as if most white people are UMC educated who live in million dollar homes LOL!

Most white people are not rich contrary to what this forum like to imply.

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The focus on inner city black schools is strange. The majority of american children are behind academically.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on inner city black schools is strange. The majority of american children are behind academically.

Evidence?

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on inner city black schools is strange. The majority of american children are behind academically.

Evidence?

Are you dumb? Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:I should buy a house there so my high achieving kid can get into Harvard.

I'm sure your white/Asian kid will greatly appreciate spending their childhood in one of America's most violent, dangerous schools.

It's weird how you're conflating white with asians. I've noticed thats the new thing and it's bizarre. Most white children do not attend schools with asians students. LOL

Most white children in America are behind as well.

This forum behaves as if most white people are UMC educated who live in million dollar homes LOL!

Most white people are not rich contrary to what this forum like to imply.

It's reasonable to assume that the child of the typical poster here is white or Asian, and that said child is UMC. But I don't see how they made any assumptions about the child's economic status

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Anonymous wrote:I should buy a house there so my high achieving kid can get into Harvard.

I'm sure your white/Asian kid will greatly appreciate spending their childhood in one of America's most violent, dangerous schools.

It's weird how you're conflating white with asians. I've noticed thats the new thing and it's bizarre. Most white children do not attend schools with asians students. LOL

Most white children in America are behind as well.

This forum behaves as if most white people are UMC educated who live in million dollar homes LOL!

Most white people are not rich contrary to what this forum like to imply.

It's reasonable to assume that the child of the typical poster here is white or Asian, and that said child is UMC. But I don't see how they made any assumptions about the child's economic status

You think Asians show up on dcum more than blacks or Latinos? What evidence is there for that or is that just your bias speaking?