Petition to bring back SROs

[Anonymous]

Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

so.. we shouldn't have security guards, either?

2-4 staff cannot monitor every area, which is why they need camera's in these areas with someone monitoring it.

so, get rid of security staff since one raped a student, and just use security cameras?

Isn't that the logic the ^PP is using... SRO didn't stop the security guard... the security guard raped a student.. the security guards aren't stopping the violent incidents.. ergo.. get rid of security guards and just use the security cameras.

No, add more security guards AND SRO's AND have security camera's (they are everywhere else so why not schools?), metal detectors and bag searches. I want multiple layers of security and prevention.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

so.. we shouldn't have security guards, either?

2-4 staff cannot monitor every area, which is why they need camera's in these areas with someone monitoring it.

so, get rid of security staff since one raped a student, and just use security cameras?

Isn't that the logic the ^PP is using... SRO didn't stop the security guard... the security guard raped a student.. the security guards aren't stopping the violent incidents.. ergo.. get rid of security guards and just use the security cameras.

No, add more security guards AND SRO's AND have security camera's (they are everywhere else so why not schools?), metal detectors and bag searches. I want multiple layers of security and prevention.

Agree, but the anti-sros routinely use that incident as a reason to not have SROs. My point is that one bad apple or event shouldn't negate some of the good. We don't get rid of security guards because of a few bad apples. Same should apply to SROs.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

All of those are great, but it's not easy or quick. We have to do something, and right now, SROs are a good alternative. It's not perfect, certainly, but I think SROs can be part of the solution. Everyone agrees that SROs need more training and vetting. They can do some good.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

All of those are great, but it's not easy or quick. We have to do something, and right now, SROs are a good alternative. It's not perfect, certainly, but I think SROs can be part of the solution. Everyone agrees that SROs need more training and vetting. They can do some good.

I would start with wearing IDs and increasing counselors. Both are as easy to quickly implement, or easier, than getting fulltime well-trained police officers in each school fulltime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

All of those are great, but it's not easy or quick. We have to do something, and right now, SROs are a good alternative. It's not perfect, certainly, but I think SROs can be part of the solution. Everyone agrees that SROs need more training and vetting. They can do some good.

I would start with wearing IDs and increasing counselors. Both are as easy to quickly implement, or easier, than getting fulltime well-trained police officers in each school fulltime.

Should add, that as far as I know neither the IDs or the counselors are something that any research shows could have negative unintended consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

Restorative justice needs to go. Immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Yes, they aren't effective at stopping school shootings and most experts agree they make things worse.

[Anonymous]

Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

That makes your case. I guess they aren't helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

We cannot fix these problems with by broader societal change as no one is willing to do it. So, what approach would you suggest that will have a direct impact in MCPS schools. Wearing ID's is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Yes, they aren't effective at stopping school shootings and most experts agree they make things worse.

And yet, SRO's were removed and things continue to decline. Guess the experts were wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Yes, they aren't effective at stopping school shootings and most experts agree they make things worse.

And yet, SRO's were removed and things continue to decline. Guess the experts were wrong.

Ever heard of the difference between correlation and causation? And the correlation here is even super weak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we maybe agree that the studies on whether or not SROs are effective at reducing violence and crime in schools are inconclusive? There are studies that conclude either way.

What is conclusive is that SROs are not effective at reducing gun violence.

So that leaves us on an even playing field of discussing whether or not the potential benefits are worth the potential harms. We can have an honest and good faith debate about that.

So, what do you recommend at the alternative? The do nothing approach clearly isn't working.

Great question. I think a multi-faceted approach is required, and it really depends on the problem we are trying to solve. I definitely agree that "restorative justice" approach needs to be drastically overhauled or scrapped. We need more teachers, administrators, and most of counselors across the board. We need a broader societal change to solve the underlying problems that contribute to kids behaving in these ways. I think the approach some schools have taken to require students to wear their IDs around their necks is not a bad idea...

We cannot fix these problems with by broader societal change as no one is willing to do it. So, what approach would you suggest that will have a direct impact in MCPS schools. Wearing ID's is a good idea.

Direct impact on what? drugs in schools? vaping? fist fights? students with guns? non-students with guns? overall decline in education?

Each problem needs a somewhat different intervention.