Petition to bring back SROs

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Do you have any other talking points?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

Why is RM so problematic? Didn’t they have a case of an 18yr old immigrant “freshman” having sex with a 14yr old freshman under the stairwell on Facebook live a few years ago. What is going on in that school?!?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

Absolutely incorrect. Underage rapes are reported to CPS by MCPS within 24hrs - mandated, but the school rarely calls the police. Trust me. The police tend to only hear about them if the victim’s family reports or CPS eventually lets them know. If a SRO is on the campus, it is much better for the victim. Most school’s administration will hush as much as possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Cite your sources

And we aren’t talking about active shooter scenes with machine guns.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't care if it's SROs or MCPS Security. But someone needs to be in control, hold kids accountable and make sure that threats are neutralized.

If that's done by SROs, fine. If MCPS security gain expanded powers and jurisdiction to do some of the things SROs used to do, great. But the schools must be a safe, secure environment.

I agree but it wasn’t safe with SROs and security.

A lot safer when we had SROs. Since SROs were removed, the calls for cops have increased dramatically.

Exactly how it should work. Success!

So you didn't want SROs because too many kids were being reported to SROs (cops) but now that the number of cops being called to the schools for the same reason has increased, it's ok? Hold on while I scratch my head for a few minutes.

It’s working because cops are only getting involved in crime at school and they’re not hanging around school harassing kids.

Do you realize that when SROs were around, crime was lower than they are now? When SROs were around they actually mitigated issues that otherwise would've resulted in an arrest? Without SROs, more kids are actually getting charged of crime.

Actually, when SRO’s were around less criminals were caught. I guess sitting in the school, eating snacks with the teachers was not in effective form of identifying crime outside the school.

So now what you’re saying is you do not want criminals arrested ? You don’t want cops to stop the threat outside the school before it enters?

You are mad because teachers and administrators have formed a relationship with Montgomery County Police and they feel comfortable calling for help.

Sounds like you don’t know what you want.

That would be you that's confused. We're talking about crime IN school, babe. Crime IN school has gone up since SROs were removed.

No the PP was correct. SROs statistically do little to deter crime in schools and more often than not it's been shown they make matters worse. The right like the head of the NRA is always pushing this as a solution when in fact the only way to get guns out of schools is common sense gun reforms

SROs were present at both Parkland and Uvalde and didn't seem to them a lot of good.

And, they've been present at other schools and saved lives.

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/09/01/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-students-from-abusive-grandmother/

https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/

https://www.wkrn.com/video/sro-saves-choking-student/7695111/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/lone-school-resource-officer-engaged-gunman-saved-lives/story?id=53884377

In the first story, a car entered the drop off line and two kids got out of the car. Two patrol cars were already "not far behind." The SRO did nothing that wasn't already going to happen.
In the second story, the SRO absolutely did something commendable. But it wasn't a crime or violence that was deterred and any other adult or administrator could have done the same thing.
In the third story, same thing. Very commendable life saving act not necessarily performed by a trained law enforcement officer
In the fourth story, a gunman shot and killed a student and then the gunman shot himself in the head. The SRO prevented neither.

Do you work on a school, or have children in a school?

I work in a school. I have children. I want SROs from both a teacher AND a parent standpoint. You are trying to negate the good work SROs do simply to prove some point. The very real truth is SROs have performed FAR more positive services for our schools than get published. I should know, because I’ve seen it.

I can’t understand why a few posters want to deny schools this support. If you haven’t been in a school lately, you really have no idea what we are dealing with. To deny support because “I don’t like them” is to deny students an additional resource at a time in which we are in critical, critical need. Frankly, it’s a selfish viewpoint, and one that does real harm to our students.

Yes I have children in school.
I never said "I don't like them" (and those that have not supported SROs have generally given reasons much beyond that.)
One can think that schools need a lot more support and resources without believing that SROs are the right solution to that problem.

SROs are ONE solution, and they work remarkably well when you place them with other supports (teachers, admin, counselors, etc.)

Nobody is suggesting they are the ONLY solution. Also, some people (including me) have posted reports and anecdotes that show their positive effects on a school environment.

Again: why would we take away a necessary support at this critical time?

The question is whether they ARE a necessary support, and the evidence is not there.

On the contrary:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/SRO/MCPD-SRO-FAQ.pdf
(Contains ACTUAL statistics that demonstrate the effect of MCPD SROs within the district.)

Since MoCo didn’t bother to ask the community whether SROs should stay, the best we can go with is what PGCPS found out when they asked that question:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/BX4VD4802E1E/%24file/CEO%27s%20Rec%20School%20Safety%20and%20Security%20Report%2001142021.pdf

80% support SROs at the high school level. 70% support SROs in middle school.
92% who have actually interacted with an SRO report the interaction as “positive.”
70% report that SROs build positive relationships.

The hard facts show that SROs do make a positive impact in this region and that (in places where community was actually asked) the majority supports the program.

People seem horribly uninformed about how ineffective they are and how much more dangerous they make things. They had SROs that both parkland and uvalde and it did not help.

When a person presents relevant data, they are “informed.” When a person states generalities that are not cited, they could be considered “uninformed.”

You mention Parkland and Uvalde, neither of which are in Montgomery County. The data above (did you read it?) shows clear proof that SROs have been beneficial in Montgomery County. You provided two examples from different states. Are they tragic? Absolutely. Do they prove that SROs are ineffective nationwide? Not at all.

Shhh stopping making sense and bringing well informed data. It’s too much for those that bring only opinions to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

Absolutely incorrect. Underage rapes are reported to CPS by MCPS within 24hrs - mandated, but the school rarely calls the police. Trust me. The police tend to only hear about them if the victim’s family reports or CPS eventually lets them know. If a SRO is on the campus, it is much better for the victim. Most school’s administration will hush as much as possible.

CPS doesn't handle school rapes. They handle rape within the home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

Absolutely incorrect. Underage rapes are reported to CPS by MCPS within 24hrs - mandated, but the school rarely calls the police. Trust me. The police tend to only hear about them if the victim’s family reports or CPS eventually lets them know. If a SRO is on the campus, it is much better for the victim. Most school’s administration will hush as much as possible.

CPS doesn't handle school rapes. They handle rape within the home.

My husband works for the police and you are wrong. CPS have to be told. They don't come in the school. But MCPS is required to notify CPS but not the police. It's insane

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

Absolutely incorrect. Underage rapes are reported to CPS by MCPS within 24hrs - mandated, but the school rarely calls the police. Trust me. The police tend to only hear about them if the victim’s family reports or CPS eventually lets them know. If a SRO is on the campus, it is much better for the victim. Most school’s administration will hush as much as possible.

CPS doesn't handle school rapes. They handle rape within the home.

My husband works for the police and you are wrong. CPS have to be told. They don't come in the school. But MCPS is required to notify CPS but not the police. It's insane

Notifying is different from them handling the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

CPS only gets involved with rapes inside the home or family environment. For a rape at school, its the police.

Absolutely incorrect. Underage rapes are reported to CPS by MCPS within 24hrs - mandated, but the school rarely calls the police. Trust me. The police tend to only hear about them if the victim’s family reports or CPS eventually lets them know. If a SRO is on the campus, it is much better for the victim. Most school’s administration will hush as much as possible.

CPS doesn't handle school rapes. They handle rape within the home.

My husband works for the police and you are wrong. CPS have to be told. They don't come in the school. But MCPS is required to notify CPS but not the police. It's insane

Notifying is different from them handling the case.

Notifying and reporting are the SAME thing. No one said they handled the case. The poster said reported in 24hrs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

so.. we shouldn't have security guards, either?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

so.. we shouldn't have security guards, either?

2-4 staff cannot monitor every area, which is why they need camera's in these areas with someone monitoring it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Nailed it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SRO's are not wanted because they are required to involve police in matters which the school want to keep things hush hush. The more arrests, assaults, etc... the worse the school looks. Now do I think teachers and staff want them? Yes. Does administration and central? Absolutely not

This is so true. Do you know a MCPS school is not mandated to contact the police when there is a rape on campus? Right now schools are barely contacting police for things police should be contacted for.

Interesting question. CPS mandatory reporting could be involved. Title IX gets involved. But MCPS is explicitly not a crime fighting agency.

Statistically, SROs rarely of any benefit. Both Parkland and Uvalde had SROs present and that didn't help matters.

Most experts believe they actually make things worse, and their presence escalates or increases the death toll.

Nailed it!

.. with a crooked nail, apparently.

"experts"? Progressive liberals?

Other studies have shown that SROs can reduce violence in schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's think beyond just shootings too. Wouldn't having an SRO be a deterrent to doing drugs / robbing people in the bathrooms?

And, the rapes.

The SRO didn’t stop the RM security guard from raping a student.

so.. we shouldn't have security guards, either?

2-4 staff cannot monitor every area, which is why they need camera's in these areas with someone monitoring it.

so, get rid of security staff since one raped a student, and just use security cameras?

Isn't that the logic the ^PP is using... SRO didn't stop the security guard... the security guard raped a student.. the security guards aren't stopping the violent incidents.. ergo.. get rid of security guards and just use the security cameras.