UVA early decision

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Anonymous wrote:CCO told my kid that UVA generally has a GPA cut-off and it varies school by school and year by year. So, while they don’t know where the cut-off is ahead of time, CCO generally sees it in the data once the dust has settled.

What’s a CCO?

College counselor? Not original poster.

I am the poster: college counseling office (at high school)

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from Fairfax county explain what a 4.4 weighted translates too? Is it a 4.0 unweighted and how many APs to get to a 4.4?

NP. Through 11th grade DS has a 3.975/4.496. Two A- 6 APs, 1 post-AP

I don’t understand this. My DS took 6 APs through 11th grade and has never gotten below an A in any class. And yet, his weighted GPA is a 4.22. What is a post AP?

I wonder if the difference is in how many honors or regular courses a high school offers outside of AP. My DS had 8 APs and 1 DE by 11th. 1 B+ (AP Physics), 2 A- (regular Latin) and the rest were As. He took 8 classes/year and honors wherever possible. But foreign language didn’t offer honors before AP, and accelerated math kids were in non-honors courses before AP Calc in 11th. Electives (2-3/year) were also unweighted. His GPA was a 4.24 at the end of junior year.

The colleges understand how GPA is calculated at different schools and they recalculate them so they are comparable.....

That impacts the bump for honors and AP, but in doesn’t impact what types of classes a school offers. So in my example, I suspect a lot less honors classes are offered at the lower level compared to (for example) FCPS, which leads to a lower GPA.

They don’t recalculate. They judge the GPA within the context of the particular high school. This is why the stats being thrown around here are so useless. They only apply to your high school.

Dean J says this what feels like once a day on her social media posts and no one ever seems to listen.

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Anonymous wrote:CCO told my kid that UVA generally has a GPA cut-off and it varies school by school and year by year. So, while they don’t know where the cut-off is ahead of time, CCO generally sees it in the data once the dust has settled.

Yep. I know a 3.5 kid from a top DC private accepted today.

How do you know a kid’s GPA if it’s not your kid? That’s odd and obsessive.

it's my sibling's kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from Fairfax county explain what a 4.4 weighted translates too? Is it a 4.0 unweighted and how many APs to get to a 4.4?

NP. Through 11th grade DS has a 3.975/4.496. Two A- 6 APs, 1 post-AP

I don’t understand this. My DS took 6 APs through 11th grade and has never gotten below an A in any class. And yet, his weighted GPA is a 4.22. What is a post AP?

I wonder if the difference is in how many honors or regular courses a high school offers outside of AP. My DS had 8 APs and 1 DE by 11th. 1 B+ (AP Physics), 2 A- (regular Latin) and the rest were As. He took 8 classes/year and honors wherever possible. But foreign language didn’t offer honors before AP, and accelerated math kids were in non-honors courses before AP Calc in 11th. Electives (2-3/year) were also unweighted. His GPA was a 4.24 at the end of junior year.

The colleges understand how GPA is calculated at different schools and they recalculate them so they are comparable.....

That impacts the bump for honors and AP, but in doesn’t impact what types of classes a school offers. So in my example, I suspect a lot less honors classes are offered at the lower level compared to (for example) FCPS, which leads to a lower GPA.

They don’t recalculate. They judge the GPA within the context of the particular high school. This is why the stats being thrown around here are so useless. They only apply to your high school.

Dean J says this what feels like once a day on her social media posts and no one ever seems to listen.

She also posted this about TO in a recent CC thread and after she posted other continued to argue about TO at UVA. It was pretty incredible and made clearly that many people have their own opinions and think they know more the colleges who actually make statements on this stuff:

“ If you listen to anyone who works in my office (or follow me on social media), you know that sustained classroom performance (four years of courses and grades) are the most important part of the application review. No one gets in because of their test score here. Consider that for most of our students, the math on the SAT is material they had 1-3 years ago (probably 2-3 for the engineers). The scores don’t tell us what we need to know…the transcripts do.

When in doubt, just go TO and move on. Remember that the people encouraging you to fixate on testing aren’t admission officers.”

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from Fairfax county explain what a 4.4 weighted translates too? Is it a 4.0 unweighted and how many APs to get to a 4.4?

NP. Through 11th grade DS has a 3.975/4.496. Two A- 6 APs, 1 post-AP

I don’t understand this. My DS took 6 APs through 11th grade and has never gotten below an A in any class. And yet, his weighted GPA is a 4.22. What is a post AP?

I wonder if the difference is in how many honors or regular courses a high school offers outside of AP. My DS had 8 APs and 1 DE by 11th. 1 B+ (AP Physics), 2 A- (regular Latin) and the rest were As. He took 8 classes/year and honors wherever possible. But foreign language didn’t offer honors before AP, and accelerated math kids were in non-honors courses before AP Calc in 11th. Electives (2-3/year) were also unweighted. His GPA was a 4.24 at the end of junior year.

The colleges understand how GPA is calculated at different schools and they recalculate them so they are comparable.....

That impacts the bump for honors and AP, but in doesn’t impact what types of classes a school offers. So in my example, I suspect a lot less honors classes are offered at the lower level compared to (for example) FCPS, which leads to a lower GPA.

They don’t recalculate. They judge the GPA within the context of the particular high school. This is why the stats being thrown around here are so useless. They only apply to your high school.

Dean J says this what feels like once a day on her social media posts and no one ever seems to listen.

She also posted this about TO in a recent CC thread and after she posted other continued to argue about TO at UVA. It was pretty incredible and made clearly that many people have their own opinions and think they know more the colleges who actually make statements on this stuff:

“ If you listen to anyone who works in my office (or follow me on social media), you know that sustained classroom performance (four years of courses and grades) are the most important part of the application review. No one gets in because of their test score here. Consider that for most of our students, the math on the SAT is material they had 1-3 years ago (probably 2-3 for the engineers). The scores don’t tell us what we need to know…the transcripts do.

When in doubt, just go TO and move on. Remember that the people encouraging you to fixate on testing aren’t admission officers.”

Given everything they’ve said about testing over the years, it would be very surprising if they don’t stay TO.

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Anonymous wrote:CCO told my kid that UVA generally has a GPA cut-off and it varies school by school and year by year. So, while they don’t know where the cut-off is ahead of time, CCO generally sees it in the data once the dust has settled.

Yep. I know a 3.5 kid from a top DC private accepted today.

How do you know a kid’s GPA if it’s not your kid? That’s odd and obsessive.

it's my sibling's kid.

Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from Fairfax county explain what a 4.4 weighted translates too? Is it a 4.0 unweighted and how many APs to get to a 4.4?

NP. Through 11th grade DS has a 3.975/4.496. Two A- 6 APs, 1 post-AP

I don’t understand this. My DS took 6 APs through 11th grade and has never gotten below an A in any class. And yet, his weighted GPA is a 4.22. What is a post AP?

I wonder if the difference is in how many honors or regular courses a high school offers outside of AP. My DS had 8 APs and 1 DE by 11th. 1 B+ (AP Physics), 2 A- (regular Latin) and the rest were As. He took 8 classes/year and honors wherever possible. But foreign language didn’t offer honors before AP, and accelerated math kids were in non-honors courses before AP Calc in 11th. Electives (2-3/year) were also unweighted. His GPA was a 4.24 at the end of junior year.

The colleges understand how GPA is calculated at different schools and they recalculate them so they are comparable.....

That impacts the bump for honors and AP, but in doesn’t impact what types of classes a school offers. So in my example, I suspect a lot less honors classes are offered at the lower level compared to (for example) FCPS, which leads to a lower GPA.

They don’t recalculate. They judge the GPA within the context of the particular high school. This is why the stats being thrown around here are so useless. They only apply to your high school.

Dean J says this what feels like once a day on her social media posts and no one ever seems to listen.

She also posted this about TO in a recent CC thread and after she posted other continued to argue about TO at UVA. It was pretty incredible and made clearly that many people have their own opinions and think they know more the colleges who actually make statements on this stuff:

“ If you listen to anyone who works in my office (or follow me on social media), you know that sustained classroom performance (four years of courses and grades) are the most important part of the application review. No one gets in because of their test score here. Consider that for most of our students, the math on the SAT is material they had 1-3 years ago (probably 2-3 for the engineers). The scores don’t tell us what we need to know…the transcripts do.

When in doubt, just go TO and move on. Remember that the people encouraging you to fixate on testing aren’t admission officers.”

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone from Fairfax county explain what a 4.4 weighted translates too? Is it a 4.0 unweighted and how many APs to get to a 4.4?

NP. Through 11th grade DS has a 3.975/4.496. Two A- 6 APs, 1 post-AP

I don’t understand this. My DS took 6 APs through 11th grade and has never gotten below an A in any class. And yet, his weighted GPA is a 4.22. What is a post AP?

I wonder if the difference is in how many honors or regular courses a high school offers outside of AP. My DS had 8 APs and 1 DE by 11th. 1 B+ (AP Physics), 2 A- (regular Latin) and the rest were As. He took 8 classes/year and honors wherever possible. But foreign language didn’t offer honors before AP, and accelerated math kids were in non-honors courses before AP Calc in 11th. Electives (2-3/year) were also unweighted. His GPA was a 4.24 at the end of junior year.

The colleges understand how GPA is calculated at different schools and they recalculate them so they are comparable.....

That impacts the bump for honors and AP, but in doesn’t impact what types of classes a school offers. So in my example, I suspect a lot less honors classes are offered at the lower level compared to (for example) FCPS, which leads to a lower GPA.

They don’t recalculate. They judge the GPA within the context of the particular high school. This is why the stats being thrown around here are so useless. They only apply to your high school.

Dean J says this what feels like once a day on her social media posts and no one ever seems to listen.

She also posted this about TO in a recent CC thread and after she posted other continued to argue about TO at UVA. It was pretty incredible and made clearly that many people have their own opinions and think they know more the colleges who actually make statements on this stuff:

“ If you listen to anyone who works in my office (or follow me on social media), you know that sustained classroom performance (four years of courses and grades) are the most important part of the application review. No one gets in because of their test score here. Consider that for most of our students, the math on the SAT is material they had 1-3 years ago (probably 2-3 for the engineers). The scores don’t tell us what we need to know…the transcripts do.

When in doubt, just go TO and move on. Remember that the people encouraging you to fixate on testing aren’t admission officers.”

Given everything they’ve said about testing over the years, it would be very surprising if they don’t stay TO.

I am one of the posters who think many schools will go back to test required but I would be surprised if UVA is one of them. They are one of the few schools in T50 who don’t consider test scores “very important” or “important.”

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Anonymous wrote:Is the 4.4 GPA after 11th grade or is it after 12th grade?

My kid’s 4.4 GPA was after 11th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Though UVA has not said it, I wonder if they have decided to cap ED admissions at 25% of the class. For the past two years, 1000 kids have been their number, despite increased applications. Capping the number of ED admissions may help with perceptions of admission fairness, especially since it’s a public university. Then again, W&M accepts a much larger portion of their class from two ED rounds, and they are a public. Again, UVA hasn’t noted a cap, but I find it odd that the number admitted this year was the same as last year, despite 800 more ED applications. Thoughts?

Maybe W&M feels the greater need to leverage the ED early match process to secure a large portion of their class - that without it they may not get a similar level of student. Guessing UVA feels greater confidence to leave the class more open - that they will get the level of students they need and can consider other factors and values.

Nah. Unlike UVA, WM doesn’t have EA. They take about 1/3 of their class ED and 2/3 RD— much more than UVA takes RD. And IME (I had 2 kids apply, one ED one RD), WM gives a sizable ED bump. My DD got in last year ED. She was unhooked and her WGPA was .2 or more below kids who were outright denied in RD. WM cares a lot about admitting students who really want to attend and who can show they would be a good fit. They aren’t using ED to lock down superstars— especially in state (but they aren’t turning them down either). They seem to use ED, at least in part, to give a boost to kids who would otherwise just miss admission, but are all in on WM. They would rather have a lower GPA in ED than a kid who EDs UVA, is deferred and applied to WM as backup in RD.

But in general, the opposite of what PP says is true. Even putting aside athletes, etc, the unhooked ED admits have lower stats than the unhooked RD admits.

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Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

NP. I think it's weird that you think your experience is the only/best one.

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Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

NP. I think it's weird that you think your experience is the only/best one.

Any family who knows the GPAs of nieces and nephews has serious issues and needs to get a life.

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Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

NP. I think it's weird that you think your experience is the only/best one.

Any family who knows the GPAs of nieces and nephews has serious issues and needs to get a life.

I’m really close to my sister and she shares this kind of information with me in the context of me giving advice on my nephew’s college applications because my own son just went through the process last year and my daughter will apply next year, and our kids have a lot of similarities. I think you must not have close sibling bonds and find that sad.

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Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

NP. I think it's weird that you think your experience is the only/best one.

Any family who knows the GPAs of nieces and nephews has serious issues and needs to get a life.

I’m really close to my sister and she shares this kind of information with me in the context of me giving advice on my nephew’s college applications because my own son just went through the process last year and my daughter will apply next year, and our kids have a lot of similarities. I think you must not have close sibling bonds and find that sad.

Sure. Ok.

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Still weird. Sorry. I don’t know the GPAs if my nieces and nephews and don’t care to know.

NP. I think it's weird that you think your experience is the only/best one.

Any family who knows the GPAs of nieces and nephews has serious issues and needs to get a life.

Sounds more like you have the serious issues and need to get a life. Why are you so concerned about what someone else knows about their niece.