$2M no bid contract to Joftus wife? BOE to approve on 9/8

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, why are we allowed to have an entire thread about Joftus but any mention of Esther gets deleted immediately? Candidates should be discussed openly.

Try starting a different discussion.

DP. I started a thread recently asking about Grace vs Esther for BOE, and it looks like it was deleted. No idea why.

If you haven't noticed, DCUMS tows the MCPS party line if it will make uncomfortable truths come to light. I've had several posts deleted (ex. when the board tried to make land-use decisions behind closed doors and without public input).

But in this case, what is the "MCPS party line" with respect to a BOE race with no incumbent in the running?

Did Joftus, Wolff, and Silvestre pull out? They're still listed here:
https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2022/primary_results/gen_results_2022_by_county_16.html

If early voting is any indicator, Yang and Oven will win, and unfortunately Silvestre has a large lead and could be re-elected. The silver lining is Wolff is vulnerable, and I doubt Innaco-Hahn supporters will run out and toss their votes towards Wolff.

Board of Education District 3 (Alonza eliminated)
Julie Yang
Scott Joftus (current)

Board of Education District 5 (Innaco-Hahn eliminated)
Valerie M. Coll
Brenda Wolff (current)

Board of Education District 1 (Guan and Fahemy eliminated)
Esther L. Wells
Grace Rivera Oven

Board of Education At Large (Fryar and Giandomenico eliminated)
Mike Erickson
Karla Silvestre (current)

And most parents don't even realize that you can vote for any other district's representative. MC really needs to stop calling BOE members "district representatives". They're all "At-Large" for voting purposes..

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, why are we allowed to have an entire thread about Joftus but any mention of Esther gets deleted immediately? Candidates should be discussed openly.

Try starting a different discussion.

DP. I started a thread recently asking about Grace vs Esther for BOE, and it looks like it was deleted. No idea why.

If you haven't noticed, DCUMS tows the MCPS party line if it will make uncomfortable truths come to light. I've had several posts deleted (ex. when the board tried to make land-use decisions behind closed doors and without public input).

But in this case, what is the "MCPS party line" with respect to a BOE race with no incumbent in the running?

Did Joftus, Wolff, and Silvestre pull out? They're still listed here:
https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2022/primary_results/gen_results_2022_by_county_16.html

If early voting is any indicator, Yang and Oven will win, and unfortunately Silvestre has a large lead and could be re-elected. The silver lining is Wolff is vulnerable, and I doubt Innaco-Hahn supporters will run out and toss their votes towards Wolff.

Board of Education District 3 (Alonza eliminated)
Julie Yang
Scott Joftus (current)

Board of Education District 5 (Innaco-Hahn eliminated)
Valerie M. Coll
Brenda Wolff (current)

Board of Education District 1 (Guan and Fahemy eliminated)
Esther L. Wells
Grace Rivera Oven

Board of Education At Large (Fryar and Giandomenico eliminated)
Mike Erickson
Karla Silvestre (current)

And most parents don't even realize that you can vote for any other district's representative. MC really needs to stop calling BOE members "district representatives". They're all "At-Large" for voting purposes..

Lol at Dawn trying to say the people voting for Mike Erickson really meant to vote for Michael Fryar..."they likely mixed up the names..." no...people in MoCo aren't stupid, no one was dumb enough to vote for Fryar...She's going to be bitter forever about losing. Stay mad, Dawn! The majority of the county spoke-they did not want you in office.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, why are we allowed to have an entire thread about Joftus but any mention of Esther gets deleted immediately? Candidates should be discussed openly.

Try starting a different discussion.

DP. I started a thread recently asking about Grace vs Esther for BOE, and it looks like it was deleted. No idea why.

If you haven't noticed, DCUMS tows the MCPS party line if it will make uncomfortable truths come to light. I've had several posts deleted (ex. when the board tried to make land-use decisions behind closed doors and without public input).

But in this case, what is the "MCPS party line" with respect to a BOE race with no incumbent in the running?

Did Joftus, Wolff, and Silvestre pull out? They're still listed here:
https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2022/primary_results/gen_results_2022_by_county_16.html

If early voting is any indicator, Yang and Oven will win, and unfortunately Silvestre has a large lead and could be re-elected. The silver lining is Wolff is vulnerable, and I doubt Innaco-Hahn supporters will run out and toss their votes towards Wolff.

Board of Education District 3 (Alonza eliminated)
Julie Yang
Scott Joftus (current)

Board of Education District 5 (Innaco-Hahn eliminated)
Valerie M. Coll
Brenda Wolff (current)

Board of Education District 1 (Guan and Fahemy eliminated)
Esther L. Wells
Grace Rivera Oven

Board of Education At Large (Fryar and Giandomenico eliminated)
Mike Erickson
Karla Silvestre (current)

And most parents don't even realize that you can vote for any other district's representative. MC really needs to stop calling BOE members "district representatives". They're all "At-Large" for voting purposes..

Lol at Dawn trying to say the people voting for Mike Erickson really meant to vote for Michael Fryar..."they likely mixed up the names..." no...people in MoCo aren't stupid, no one was dumb enough to vote for Fryar...She's going to be bitter forever about losing. Stay mad, Dawn! The majority of the county spoke-they did not want you in office.

And with classy supporters like you, it's clear why ALL of the current incumbents need to be voted out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, why are we allowed to have an entire thread about Joftus but any mention of Esther gets deleted immediately? Candidates should be discussed openly.

Try starting a different discussion.

DP. I started a thread recently asking about Grace vs Esther for BOE, and it looks like it was deleted. No idea why.

If you haven't noticed, DCUMS tows the MCPS party line if it will make uncomfortable truths come to light. I've had several posts deleted (ex. when the board tried to make land-use decisions behind closed doors and without public input).

But in this case, what is the "MCPS party line" with respect to a BOE race with no incumbent in the running?

Did Joftus, Wolff, and Silvestre pull out? They're still listed here:
https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2022/primary_results/gen_results_2022_by_county_16.html

If early voting is any indicator, Yang and Oven will win, and unfortunately Silvestre has a large lead and could be re-elected. The silver lining is Wolff is vulnerable, and I doubt Innaco-Hahn supporters will run out and toss their votes towards Wolff.

Board of Education District 3 (Alonza eliminated)
Julie Yang
Scott Joftus (current)

Board of Education District 5 (Innaco-Hahn eliminated)
Valerie M. Coll
Brenda Wolff (current)

Board of Education District 1 (Guan and Fahemy eliminated)
Esther L. Wells
Grace Rivera Oven

Board of Education At Large (Fryar and Giandomenico eliminated)
Mike Erickson
Karla Silvestre (current)

And most parents don't even realize that you can vote for any other district's representative. MC really needs to stop calling BOE members "district representatives". They're all "At-Large" for voting purposes..

The "no incumbent" question was in response to a comment about district 1, which is the one with no incumbent.

[Anonymous]

Read the other thread about the Office of Special Education. It's an awful thing MCPS did. They hired a litigation attorney to head the office? And the board is letting them do it?

The entire boe has to be voted out this year before this gets any worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read the other thread about the Office of Special Education. It's an awful thing MCPS did. They hired a litigation attorney to head the office? And the board is letting them do it?

The entire boe has to be voted out this year before this gets any worse.

You're aware that there's no way for the entire BOE to be "voted out this year" ?

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Anonymous wrote:Good job to whoever was bringing light to this situation. It’s obvious from the social media pr team / boosters dispatched by the board that there is some significant nepotism and corruption going on. Sadly, nothing will change.

More likely Julie Yang/MCEA's social media PR team

I don’t know much about Julie Yang, but as a voter, I will check her out.

Doesn’t matter to me how or why the information has come out. Voters deserve to know the facts and then make decisions for themselves.

Absolutely. Although a lot of this thread is not exactly what would qualify as "facts."

according to Joftus and Starr. But facts as defined by the truth. Fixed it for you.

Nice try, but no. This thread is a whole lot of opinions and accusations, along with a smattering of possibly-tangentially-relevant facts, which are evidence of nothing like what is being alleged.

I'm still interested to hear which other places in Montgomery County are similar to the Kid Museum, that could provide STEM activities for elementary and middle school students in a large space. Are there any? I'm honestly curious.

Not to my knowledge but why does MCPS need to fund this? Kid Museum was deemed too expensive at my kid's school. The reality is very few MCPS students will get to take advantage of this. Not a great ROI for MCPS.

For the money they are getting it should be free to mcps.

Wait? On top of the grant, individual schools have to pay for services?

Yes. They charge per student for field trips. Good business model, I guess.

That's weird because it was free for our school.

Which school was this that you were able to attend for free? An ES or a MS?

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Anonymous wrote:Good job to whoever was bringing light to this situation. It’s obvious from the social media pr team / boosters dispatched by the board that there is some significant nepotism and corruption going on. Sadly, nothing will change.

More likely Julie Yang/MCEA's social media PR team

I don’t know much about Julie Yang, but as a voter, I will check her out.

Doesn’t matter to me how or why the information has come out. Voters deserve to know the facts and then make decisions for themselves.

Absolutely. Although a lot of this thread is not exactly what would qualify as "facts."

according to Joftus and Starr. But facts as defined by the truth. Fixed it for you.

Nice try, but no. This thread is a whole lot of opinions and accusations, along with a smattering of possibly-tangentially-relevant facts, which are evidence of nothing like what is being alleged.

I'm still interested to hear which other places in Montgomery County are similar to the Kid Museum, that could provide STEM activities for elementary and middle school students in a large space. Are there any? I'm honestly curious.

Not to my knowledge but why does MCPS need to fund this? Kid Museum was deemed too expensive at my kid's school. The reality is very few MCPS students will get to take advantage of this. Not a great ROI for MCPS.

For the money they are getting it should be free to mcps.

Our school has gone for free!

How were you able to make that happen? Is there an application? Our school was told we have to pay.

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? The arrangement was for a number of middle schools to send a number of students; it was not for all schools to send all students. The new contract is to expand the program to include elementary schools as well.

For that price, all kids should get to go.

This. All kids should go. Free.

It was free for our school, so not sure what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:What??? This money could go to paying teachers better so that they can be more motivated to actually teach, and not sadistically bully kids. This is absolutely ridiculous!

$2MM across 14K teachers is less than $150 a teacher. I don't think that's gonna move the needle much.

Good point. Do the worst math possible to make it look like no money when in fact, this same amount of money could put another full time science teacher in every single high school.

Exactly. Why the nepotism ?

There's no nepotism. It was in process before Joftus joined the BoE. He's recused himself from any action involving the Kid Museum.

Agree! He disclosed his conflicts when taking this job and has also recused himself from any action involving them. The thing is, there are a couple of unhinged right-wing nutjobs who keep posting about this. They want to make this look like corruption to further their political agendas. This is just another example of the Benghazi treatmnent.

That makes more sense. I knew this was just more of the kooky conspiracy nonsense.

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There's no nepotism. It was in process before Joftus joined the BoE. He's recused himself from any action involving the Kid Museum.

Agree! He disclosed his conflicts when taking this job and has also recused himself from any action involving them. The thing is, there are a couple of unhinged right-wing nutjobs who keep posting about this. They want to make this look like corruption to further their political agendas. This is just another example of the Benghazi treatmnent.

That makes more sense. I knew this was just more of the kooky conspiracy nonsense.

Benghazi treatment? Unhinged right-wing nutjobs? Political agendas? Kooky conspiracy nonsense?

From my standpoint, I think I can certainly identify the 'unhinged' on this post. lol

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Anonymous wrote:Good job to whoever was bringing light to this situation. It’s obvious from the social media pr team / boosters dispatched by the board that there is some significant nepotism and corruption going on. Sadly, nothing will change.

More likely Julie Yang/MCEA's social media PR team

I don’t know much about Julie Yang, but as a voter, I will check her out.

Doesn’t matter to me how or why the information has come out. Voters deserve to know the facts and then make decisions for themselves.

Absolutely. Although a lot of this thread is not exactly what would qualify as "facts."

according to Joftus and Starr. But facts as defined by the truth. Fixed it for you.

Nice try, but no. This thread is a whole lot of opinions and accusations, along with a smattering of possibly-tangentially-relevant facts, which are evidence of nothing like what is being alleged.

I'm still interested to hear which other places in Montgomery County are similar to the Kid Museum, that could provide STEM activities for elementary and middle school students in a large space. Are there any? I'm honestly curious.

Not to my knowledge but why does MCPS need to fund this? Kid Museum was deemed too expensive at my kid's school. The reality is very few MCPS students will get to take advantage of this. Not a great ROI for MCPS.

For the money they are getting it should be free to mcps.

Our school has gone for free!

How were you able to make that happen? Is there an application? Our school was told we have to pay.

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? The arrangement was for a number of middle schools to send a number of students; it was not for all schools to send all students. The new contract is to expand the program to include elementary schools as well.

For that price, all kids should get to go.

This. All kids should go. Free.

It was free for our school, so not sure what you're talking about.

Are you the same person who posted above? Which school was allowed to attend for free? Elementary or middle school?

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Anonymous wrote:Good job to whoever was bringing light to this situation. It’s obvious from the social media pr team / boosters dispatched by the board that there is some significant nepotism and corruption going on. Sadly, nothing will change.

More likely Julie Yang/MCEA's social media PR team

I don’t know much about Julie Yang, but as a voter, I will check her out.

Doesn’t matter to me how or why the information has come out. Voters deserve to know the facts and then make decisions for themselves.

Absolutely. Although a lot of this thread is not exactly what would qualify as "facts."

according to Joftus and Starr. But facts as defined by the truth. Fixed it for you.

Nice try, but no. This thread is a whole lot of opinions and accusations, along with a smattering of possibly-tangentially-relevant facts, which are evidence of nothing like what is being alleged.

I'm still interested to hear which other places in Montgomery County are similar to the Kid Museum, that could provide STEM activities for elementary and middle school students in a large space. Are there any? I'm honestly curious.

Not to my knowledge but why does MCPS need to fund this? Kid Museum was deemed too expensive at my kid's school. The reality is very few MCPS students will get to take advantage of this. Not a great ROI for MCPS.

For the money they are getting it should be free to mcps.

Our school has gone for free!

How were you able to make that happen? Is there an application? Our school was told we have to pay.

Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? The arrangement was for a number of middle schools to send a number of students; it was not for all schools to send all students. The new contract is to expand the program to include elementary schools as well.

For that price, all kids should get to go.

This. All kids should go. Free.

It was free for our school, so not sure what you're talking about.

Are you the same person who posted above? Which school was allowed to attend for free? Elementary or middle school?

For that money, all schools should go for free. It was not free for us and we were only asking virtual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What??? This money could go to paying teachers better so that they can be more motivated to actually teach, and not sadistically bully kids. This is absolutely ridiculous!

$2MM across 14K teachers is less than $150 a teacher. I don't think that's gonna move the needle much.

Good point. Do the worst math possible to make it look like no money when in fact, this same amount of money could put another full time science teacher in every single high school.

Exactly. Why the nepotism ?

There's no nepotism. It was in process before Joftus joined the BoE. He's recused himself from any action involving the Kid Museum.

Agree! He disclosed his conflicts when taking this job and has also recused himself from any action involving them. The thing is, there are a couple of unhinged right-wing nutjobs who keep posting about this. They want to make this look like corruption to further their political agendas. This is just another example of the Benghazi treatmnent.

That makes more sense. I knew this was just more of the kooky conspiracy nonsense.

That's good to read. I was interested in Yang, but really turned off by her in person. She had no respect for my time or other candidates and pushed inaccurate data about Joftus that she back tracked when I called her out. I literally went into meeting her eager to hear her. Was not a skeptic and always interested in more women candidates, but, man, she was a huge disappointment when she started shoveling manure.

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Anonymous wrote:What??? This money could go to paying teachers better so that they can be more motivated to actually teach, and not sadistically bully kids. This is absolutely ridiculous!

$2MM across 14K teachers is less than $150 a teacher. I don't think that's gonna move the needle much.

Good point. Do the worst math possible to make it look like no money when in fact, this same amount of money could put another full time science teacher in every single high school.

Exactly. Why the nepotism ?

There's no nepotism. It was in process before Joftus joined the BoE. He's recused himself from any action involving the Kid Museum.

Agree! He disclosed his conflicts when taking this job and has also recused himself from any action involving them. The thing is, there are a couple of unhinged right-wing nutjobs who keep posting about this. They want to make this look like corruption to further their political agendas. This is just another example of the Benghazi treatmnent.

That makes more sense. I knew this was just more of the kooky conspiracy nonsense.

Sorry, there's no conspiracy. Joftus never disclosed his multiple conflicts of interest when he applied to be on the BOE. Nothing in his application and nothing in his interview. Both are public and nothing in either one. It wasn't until after he was sworn in and the media exposed his conflict of interest that he disclosed and then only secretly. The public never knew about his second conflict of interest until this month.

By the way, where was Joftus this week at the BOE fiscal committee meeting? A no show. No mention of him at all. Has he quit the committee? Has he recused himself from participating in everything?

[Anonymous]

I heard he has Covid, actually. And the Board knew from the start that he’s married to the founder of KID. When you spout this nonsense you lose credibility.