New 2022-2023 Covid Plan and Guidelines
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Anonymous
I don't use Twitter, so no, I will not be posting anything about them. It WILL be a show at least in the fall. Number are up and we are in high transmission. Even the military base is going to full masking now when they only had masking at the hospitals. |
Anonymous
They help, stop with the name calling. |
Anonymous
I’m betting by the time school actually starts, cases will be way down again. It’s all part of the cycle. And then no doubt there will be yet another variant later in the fall and go back up again. |
Anonymous
We'll see. Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts. I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for) is that school will drive the numbers back up because you believe there's a connection between the two. |
Anonymous
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates? |
Anonymous
Actually, our pediatrician tests both kids if one pops positive for strep. She’s caught it in the asymptomatic sibling multiple times. |
Anonymous
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse. |
Anonymous
Where did you go to school that you only know today and forever? It's so sad you didn't learn about time or history or pandemics or mitigation or caring about other humans. Was it a private religious school? |
Anonymous
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted? |
Anonymous
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DP - to the pro-mask person - I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone incapable of following a logical train of thought. This is a common trait I've seen amongst anti-maskers, so keep this in mind.
Examples: "We'll see. [b]1-[Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts.[\b] [b]2-I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for)[\b] is that school will drive the numbers back up because [b]3 - you believe there's a connection between the two[\b]." 1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS. 2 - Ad Hominem. Attacking a person, such as their identity or character, instead of attacking their actual position in an argument. It reflects the character of the writer more than it really does undermine the target of the attack, since strong emotion is revealed (normally anger or hatred). 3 - Straw Man. This logic fallacy sets up a false version of the opponent’s argument, and then works at knocking that down. Most often used when the writer is unable to contradict factual information (in this case, that schools are sources of infection spread). "[b]4 - If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently.[\b] [b]5 - Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?[\b]" 4 - Loaded Question and Equivocation. The Loaded Question fallacy occurs whenever a person asks a question which includes their desired outcome, against the position of the person answering the question. Equivocation is to make an incorrect equivalence between words (or concepts that are at issue within the argument). The conditions, timing, duration, and overall scope of masking are of relevance. 5 - False Dichotomy. This occurs when the arguer is presenting only two possible options or outcomes to a position, when in reality there are more options. In this case, the argument ignores potential health damage from infection or repeated infections, whether schools will be able to remain open if sufficient staff become ill, as well as contradicts the future state argument within #1 and #2. "You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, [b]6 - despite high immunity and low case severity[\b], presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?" 6 - False Information combined with Confirmation Bias. Immunity is (a) variable based upon the variant, for example, current vaccinations are only partially effective against BA.275, BA.4, BA.5, etc. and (b) weakens over time. Low case severity is relative to an individuals (a) number of re-infections, (b) overall immunity and health, (c) lack of long-term health effect data, etc. I think the only top-10 logic errors missed were the ad verecundiam and argumentum ad populum. |
Anonymous
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"We'll see. 1-[Cases are down 18% from their high three weeks ago in MoCo. We're definitely trending toward being out of high transmission by the time school starts. 2-I'm sure your response (or the outcome you'll be rooting for) is that school will drive the numbers back up because 3 - you believe there's a connection between the two." 1 - Hasty Generalization and Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Hasty Generalization occurs when making a claim about something without sufficient or unbiased evidence for the claim. Post hoc ergo propter hoc occurs when someone assumes causality from an order of events. In this case, the use of a percentage drop and likelihood of not being in high transmission by the time school starts as an indicator that no future events will occur at MCPS once unmasked students intermingle. The generalization is whether past high transmission drops within the county correspond to transmission drops at MCPS. However there is data that MCPS was the primary source of the January covid numbers within the county reporting dashboard and the uptick in non-MCPS numbers occurred AFTER the infections within MCPS. 2 - Ad Hominem. Attacking a person, such as their identity or character, instead of attacking their actual position in an argument. It reflects the character of the writer more than it really does undermine the target of the attack, since strong emotion is revealed (normally anger or hatred). 3 - Straw Man. This logic fallacy sets up a false version of the opponent’s argument, and then works at knocking that down. Most often used when the writer is unable to contradict factual information (in this case, that schools are sources of infection spread). "4 - If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. 5 - Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?" 4 - Loaded Question and Equivocation. The Loaded Question fallacy occurs whenever a person asks a question which includes their desired outcome, against the position of the person answering the question. Equivocation is to make an incorrect equivalence between words (or concepts that are at issue within the argument). The conditions, timing, duration, and overall scope of masking are of relevance. 5 - False Dichotomy. This occurs when the arguer is presenting only two possible options or outcomes to a position, when in reality there are more options. In this case, the argument ignores potential health damage from infection or repeated infections, whether schools will be able to remain open if sufficient staff become ill, as well as contradicts the future state argument within #1 and #2. "You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, 6 - despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?" 6 - False Information combined with Confirmation Bias. Immunity is (a) variable based upon the variant, for example, current vaccinations are only partially effective against BA.275, BA.4, BA.5, etc. and (b) weakens over time. Low case severity is relative to an individuals (a) number of re-infections, (b) overall immunity and health, (c) lack of long-term health effect data, etc. I think the only top-10 logic errors missed were the ad verecundiam and argumentum ad populum? |
Anonymous
There is not high immunity. |
Anonymous
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently. |
Anonymous
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means. |
Anonymous
Where is the data that MCPS was the primary source of the January Covid numbers? How do you separate MCPS numbers that involved mandated/random/facilitated testing with non-MCPS numbers that primarily involved self-selected testing? Also, you're assuming causality between the uptick in non-MCPS numbers after the MCPS infections, yes? How does this align against MoCo numbers peaking during winter break and consistently dropping over the course of January and completely bottoming out in February/March? Further, where is the data in general that Covid waves are statistically influenced/driven by in-person school and not associated with the typical variant wave patterns? Aside, your post is so entirely disingenuous as to not to be taken seriously. You're selectively ascribing post attacks to the non-masking crowd. There's a whole catalog of attacks from the other side to choose from: "Something is wrong with your household"; "It's called parenting - try it"; "I care about my kids, you do not"; "No wonder kids have mental health problems"; and on and on and on. When you show bias to this degree, it discounts or entirely invalidates everything else you're trying to communicate. |