Can states actually outlaw traveling out of state for an abortion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

Some previous posters on this thread have mentioned ankle bracelet monitoring of pregnant people. How will that work?

It's really not difficult to project.

Woman gets pregnant. Busy body (or abusive partner) suspects she is going to leave the state for an abortion. Maybe she even attempts to get pills mailed to her. Police report filed. Woman charged with attempt to procure abortion. Woman sentenced to probation w/monitoring for duration of pregnancy.

+1. And doctors could notify authorities if they suspect an intention to seek abortion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Think about all of the cars that cross over from Virginia to Maryland on the beltway during the morning and evening rush hour commutes. Probably hundreds of cars *per minute*. Would Virginia really force an epic logjam on the beltway so that every single female traveler could undergo a pregnancy test? The logistics of this is mind-boggling to me.

The logistics are easy to solve. If a woman who can get pregnant wishes to travel out of the no-abortion state into a state where abortion is legal, she needs a special travel permit stating she is not pregnant.

The permit is updated once monthly at the appropriate time, by stopping into any Minute Clinic or Rite aid and getting a test.. That's where her travel permit is stamped. A positive pregnancy test means her travel permit is confiscated.

Highways and streets into abortion states are patrolled randomly (like HOV lanes) and women can be pulled over and asked for their out of state travel permit. The punishment for being caught without a "I'm not pregnant" travel permit into a non-abortion state is severe enough to be a disincentive.

The fact that some conservative has thought enough about this to write it up is disturbing. Yet, here we are.

Women aren’t people in the GOP. Republican women would do well to wake up to this fact before November.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

The devil is ALWYs in the details. An unworkable law should be stopped before it starts and people get hurt. Like raped 10 year olds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

The devil is ALWYs in the details. An unworkable law should be stopped before it starts and people get hurt. Like raped 10 year olds.

Exactly. Multiple posters saying there will be border checkpoints, travel documentation required showing pregnancy status, ankle bracelet monitoring…. Logistically how will this be implemented? There’s no way possible to have checkpoints on every single highway, road, airport, train station, etc going into and out of Red states.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

Some previous posters on this thread have mentioned ankle bracelet monitoring of pregnant people. How will that work?

I’m not sure. Ask the republicans in Missouri or Texas who want to apply their rules in other states, or any of the Republican senators who wouldn’t support a ban to restrict pregnant women’s ability to travel, which is already a right recognized by the supreme court (but so was the right to terminate a pregnancy, so I guess it’s not written in stone).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree. I’m beginning to think this thread is really a couple right wing trolls trying to have some fun whipping up terror in the “libs” - while moving the Overton window in the process.

It's not fanciful. It's actually on the table: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/opinion/abortion-rights-travel.html

Do I think women will have to take pregnancy tests at the border? No. But Red states are going to try to keep women from traveling for abortions, any way they feasibly can. In some cases, this will result in the detention of a woman and a pregnancy test; or a criminal proceeding forbidding her from leaving the state for the duration of the pregnancy.

Almost none of what is being discussed here is “on the table” according to your own article - except the question of whether the home state can retain jurisdiction over a resident’s procurement of an abortion in a different state, and criminalize those who aid/abet. (Which is very troubling in and of itself of course but a far cry from the dystopia being spun here…)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

It isn't fanciful. Look at the legislation the GOP is offering across the country. That you *think* it is fanciful IS the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

The devil is ALWYs in the details. An unworkable law should be stopped before it starts and people get hurt. Like raped 10 year olds.

Exactly. Multiple posters saying there will be border checkpoints, travel documentation required showing pregnancy status, ankle bracelet monitoring…. Logistically how will this be implemented? There’s no way possible to have checkpoints on every single highway, road, airport, train station, etc going into and out of Red states.

they don't need to have them at all entries, just enough to be a hassle. do they have drunk driving check points on every road? No.

[Anonymous]

Another possibility is to link the pregnant person’s license plate to the system that monitors HOV violations. If a pregnant person drives out of state, local authorities could be automatically notified.

Same process for credit card tracking. That would be very easy to monitor for out of state purchases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

The devil is ALWYs in the details. An unworkable law should be stopped before it starts and people get hurt. Like raped 10 year olds.

Exactly. Multiple posters saying there will be border checkpoints, travel documentation required showing pregnancy status, ankle bracelet monitoring…. Logistically how will this be implemented? There’s no way possible to have checkpoints on every single highway, road, airport, train station, etc going into and out of Red states.

they don't need to have them at all entries, just enough to be a hassle. do they have drunk driving check points on every road? No.

Yeah, they have drunk driving check points on like .000000000000000000001% of roads. That is not why people don't drunk drive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another possibility is to link the pregnant person’s license plate to the system that monitors HOV violations. If a pregnant person drives out of state, local authorities could be automatically notified.

Same process for credit card tracking. That would be very easy to monitor for out of state purchases.

It's none of anyone's business that a woman is pregnant. The government does not have the right to that information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

The devil is ALWYs in the details. An unworkable law should be stopped before it starts and people get hurt. Like raped 10 year olds.

But those unworkable laws weren't stopped and now people living under those laws are being hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another possibility is to link the pregnant person’s license plate to the system that monitors HOV violations. If a pregnant person drives out of state, local authorities could be automatically notified.

Same process for credit card tracking. That would be very easy to monitor for out of state purchases.

It's none of anyone's business that a woman is pregnant. The government does not have the right to that information.

The government disagrees with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

No court would uphold that.

How do you figure that?

There is nothing anywhere or anytime in U.S. Constitutional history that would allow states to do that. Millions of people cross state lines every day. Think about rush hour in NYC, DC, Philly, Chicago, and many more cities. Airlines, Amtrak, etc. A fascist state couldn’t do it without shutting down interstate commerce. It isn’t logistically or legally possible for states to block people from leaving. The real laws they are enacting are enough to get riled up about.

[Anonymous]

Ladies they can and they will.

if you are thinking this is too hard logistically you have not been listening.

It is not going to be only Abortion. They are coming for all women's rights. You will not be able to travel without permission.

Don't believe me? Hum, we will have an Authoritarian Fascist making laws there will be no checks and balances. You won't be able to sue. You will be jailed for rocking the boat. There will be rules to follow and they will be enforced.

What do you think ACB is on SCOTUS for? It was not for her qualifications she's not qualified.

The Republican party is telling you exactly what they will do.

We already have women bounty hunters in Texas. Ask Rep Tony Tinderholt he has death penalty plans for women.