Can states actually outlaw traveling out of state for an abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

Some previous posters on this thread have mentioned ankle bracelet monitoring of pregnant people. How will that work?

It's really not difficult to project.

Woman gets pregnant. Busy body (or abusive partner) suspects she is going to leave the state for an abortion. Maybe she even attempts to get pills mailed to her. Police report filed. Woman charged with attempt to procure abortion. Woman sentenced to probation w/monitoring for duration of pregnancy.

+1. And doctors could notify authorities if they suspect an intention to seek abortion.

Yep. I could see that. I could see that happen if you order the abortion pill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ladies they can and they will.

if you are thinking this is too hard logistically you have not been listening.

It is not going to be only Abortion. They are coming for all women's rights. You will not be able to travel without permission.

Don't believe me? Hum, we will have an Authoritarian Fascist making laws there will be no checks and balances. You won't be able to sue. You will be jailed for rocking the boat. There will be rules to follow and they will be enforced.

What do you think ACB is on SCOTUS for? It was not for her qualifications she's not qualified.

The Republican party is telling you exactly what they will do.

We already have women bounty hunters in Texas. Ask Rep Tony Tinderholt he has death penalty plans for women.

You know these same deniers will be shocked, shocked! when the court outlaw birth control. It’s coming people.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree. I’m beginning to think this thread is really a couple right wing trolls trying to have some fun whipping up terror in the “libs” - while moving the Overton window in the process.

It's not fanciful. It's actually on the table: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/opinion/abortion-rights-travel.html

Do I think women will have to take pregnancy tests at the border? No. But Red states are going to try to keep women from traveling for abortions, any way they feasibly can. In some cases, this will result in the detention of a woman and a pregnancy test; or a criminal proceeding forbidding her from leaving the state for the duration of the pregnancy.

Almost none of what is being discussed here is “on the table” according to your own article - except the question of whether the home state can retain jurisdiction over a resident’s procurement of an abortion in a different state, and criminalize those who aid/abet. (Which is very troubling in and of itself of course but a far cry from the dystopia being spun here…)

What do you think criminalizing abortion means? It means it’s a crime. You can be locked up for an attempted crime or conspiracy to commit a crime. A woman who tried to get an abortion could *absolutely* be charges and prevented from leaving the state.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

No court would uphold that.

How do you figure that?

There is nothing anywhere or anytime in U.S. Constitutional history that would allow states to do that. Millions of people cross state lines every day. Think about rush hour in NYC, DC, Philly, Chicago, and many more cities. Airlines, Amtrak, etc. A fascist state couldn’t do it without shutting down interstate commerce. It isn’t logistically or legally possible for states to block people from leaving. The real laws they are enacting are enough to get riled up about.

States control people’s movements through the criminal justice system all the time. It’s perfectly legal.

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Of course. It's illegal to transport a minor across state lines for purposes of a crime. Currently it's a "sexual" crime. But if a fetus is a person is a minor, do you think transporting it for the purpose of (what they call) murder is going to be OK?

But I hope you enjoy the HOV lanes with your unborn person on the way out of the state!

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree. I’m beginning to think this thread is really a couple right wing trolls trying to have some fun whipping up terror in the “libs” - while moving the Overton window in the process.

It's not fanciful. It's actually on the table: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/opinion/abortion-rights-travel.html

Do I think women will have to take pregnancy tests at the border? No. But Red states are going to try to keep women from traveling for abortions, any way they feasibly can. In some cases, this will result in the detention of a woman and a pregnancy test; or a criminal proceeding forbidding her from leaving the state for the duration of the pregnancy.

Almost none of what is being discussed here is “on the table” according to your own article - except the question of whether the home state can retain jurisdiction over a resident’s procurement of an abortion in a different state, and criminalize those who aid/abet. (Which is very troubling in and of itself of course but a far cry from the dystopia being spun here…)

What do you think criminalizing abortion means? It means it’s a crime. You can be locked up for an attempted crime or conspiracy to commit a crime. A woman who tried to get an abortion could *absolutely* be charges and prevented from leaving the state.

+1, yes, exactly. Criminalizing abortion means exactly that. If you abort your pregnancy out of state - they could view that as a chargeable crime (e.g. murder). The same goes for companies suddenly saying they will give employees money to travel out of state to get an abortion. That could also be viewed as aiding / abetting a murder. Wake up!

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Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

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Anonymous wrote:Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

+1 exactly - treat this seriously folks. When in Rome, Rome's laws apply. If you travel to an area of the country which makes abortion a crime, like murder, then you take some risk if you find yourself in that type of situation. Don't think you can somehow evade a state's laws because it looks easy to do so (mailing drugs, hopping on a flight, driving a car, etc).

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There will be a new cottage industry of evangelical lawyers filing wrongful death lawsuits on behalf of aborted fetuses. It’s already happening.

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There will also be fewer parents willing to take a chance sending their daughters out to any red state to go to college or even for camp.

Why take the chance they will receive substandard medical care? Or be refused birth control or contraception?

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Anonymous wrote:Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

+1 exactly - treat this seriously folks. When in Rome, Rome's laws apply. If you travel to an area of the country which makes abortion a crime, like murder, then you take some risk if you find yourself in that type of situation. Don't think you can somehow evade a state's laws because it looks easy to do so (mailing drugs, hopping on a flight, driving a car, etc).

Exactly. Where you want to live, move, vacation, or go on a work trip will be limited if you are now female and able to get pregnant.

What happens if you have health problems while pregnant and on a work trip or a vacation? What happens if you are date raped in a red state and then go back home to have an abortion? If life starts at conception, will women be able to take plan B after a rape?

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Anonymous wrote:Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

+1 exactly - treat this seriously folks. When in Rome, Rome's laws apply. If you travel to an area of the country which makes abortion a crime, like murder, then you take some risk if you find yourself in that type of situation. Don't think you can somehow evade a state's laws because it looks easy to do so (mailing drugs, hopping on a flight, driving a car, etc).

Exactly. Where you want to live, move, vacation, or go on a work trip will be limited if you are now female and able to get pregnant.

What happens if you have health problems while pregnant and on a work trip or a vacation? What happens if you are date raped in a red state and then go back home to have an abortion? If life starts at conception, will women be able to take plan B after a rape?

I have a neighbor who has been posting on our neighborhood Facebook group that she has large supply of Plan B. I’m wondering if she’s putting herself at risk doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

+1 exactly - treat this seriously folks. When in Rome, Rome's laws apply. If you travel to an area of the country which makes abortion a crime, like murder, then you take some risk if you find yourself in that type of situation. Don't think you can somehow evade a state's laws because it looks easy to do so (mailing drugs, hopping on a flight, driving a car, etc).

Exactly. Where you want to live, move, vacation, or go on a work trip will be limited if you are now female and able to get pregnant.

What happens if you have health problems while pregnant and on a work trip or a vacation? What happens if you are date raped in a red state and then go back home to have an abortion? If life starts at conception, will women be able to take plan B after a rape?

Yes, that's exactly right. Don't think that because it looks easy to evade restrictions via mail order pills, travel out of state (or even return to your state) that these states won't go to some effort to make this difficult in the future. Remember, laws of the place you are visiting apply to you. That's true of foreign countries, and its also true of states you are in.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are those people who are fine with banning abortion as long as they have low taxes and will just drive their daughters to a blue state if they need an abortion? Will you still do that if there is a chance you could be charged with a crime? Or those people who are fine with their DDs going to a red state for college and coming home to get an abortion? If the state goes after her, are you ready to spend $$$ on legal fees?

+1 exactly - treat this seriously folks. When in Rome, Rome's laws apply. If you travel to an area of the country which makes abortion a crime, like murder, then you take some risk if you find yourself in that type of situation. Don't think you can somehow evade a state's laws because it looks easy to do so (mailing drugs, hopping on a flight, driving a car, etc).

Exactly. Where you want to live, move, vacation, or go on a work trip will be limited if you are now female and able to get pregnant.

What happens if you have health problems while pregnant and on a work trip or a vacation? What happens if you are date raped in a red state and then go back home to have an abortion? If life starts at conception, will women be able to take plan B after a rape?

I have a neighbor who has been posting on our neighborhood Facebook group that she has large supply of Plan B. I’m wondering if she’s putting herself at risk doing this.

Plan B is (currently) legal everywhere, since it works as a contraceptive and doesn't induce abortion. Outside of Plan B, I would not recommend broadcasting intent to help yourself or others evade or otherwise "work around" abortion laws. That includes offering travel assistance. Courts routinely have looked into the intent behind a particular activity - even if the activity is otherwise legal it can be made illegal if the intent was.